I'm rebuilding an old rod which had been beaten up a bit, and I took the finish off and replaced it with one coat of permagloss. It is a Loomis 6' 9" spinnerbait rod, finished with permagloss from the front grip to the tip. Using a Riley Rods scale I had a hard time detecting the weight difference between the bare blank and the blank after the permagloss coat, finally concluding it was + .008 ounce max. Since very little of that .008 ounce will be in the upper section of the rod, I have to conclude that worrying about the effect of the mass of a coat of permagloss on a blank is a wasted worry. And it sure made the blank a lot prettier.

Thought some of you might be interested.

it is there but as you said .008 hard to figure it , on a real light rod an you compare the 2 side by side I don't know ? [I don't think so] when you build you keep it light an go from there , most of us will never know the difference

William Sidney
AK

If you are worrying about weight with Permagloss why did you coat it
A graphite rod is lighter with No Coating at all Now you don't have any weights to worry about
just polish the blank

Bill - willierods.com

Thanks Michael, one less thing to worry about.

Michael

When you said " I took the finish off" Then Theoretically during the process of removing the finish you reduced the weight of the rod and possibly changed the characteristics of the rod therefore the reduction of weight during preparation is somewhat off set by the addition of the permagloss so the net increase in weight would be less than the .008 ounce increase you calculated.
and the change in action would mimic the original action.

I doubt very seriously that human sensitivity without prior knowledge of the transformation would be able to detect any change in the state of the rod.

That being said, enjoy your prettier rod and enjoy a sense of content and achievement.

Regards

John

Bill Boetcher, I wasn't worrying about the weight of the permagloss. Just providing a little data for those who might be interested. I coated it because I didn't like the look of raw graphite.

John, no, the addition of the permagloss, in my opinion, would not mimic the original rod mass/weight/action. I think the original finish was significantly heavier than the permagloss. But I have no data on that. I didn't weigh the rod before removing the original finish. My opinion is that there will be no significant difference between the original finish, no finish, and the permagloss finish. I think we are talking about nits. Which do not weigh much. :-)

Michael

I should have put a disclaimer on my post stating that that I was being facetious making an example of talking about "nits"

I agree with your assessment.

John

Guilty again, too literal.

FWIW, I shorten and remove the finish from all my blanks before build. The finish weight varies from about .1 ounce (clear glaze type finish) to as much as .19 oz. (paint type finish). Might be worth noting that these weights are for a blank less than 6’ long. I just built on a Rainshadow Eternity blank where I removed .19 oz. of paint finish.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2016 04:50PM by John E Powell.

Jim, keep in mind that most of that weight you took off came not from the last couple feet, but from the butt couple feet. The tip is so small that of .19 oz, I'll bet you didn't take more than a tenth of that off the last two feet. It would be nice if one could measure the frequency of the blank before and after finish removal.

I can't understand taking the finish off such a beautiful blank as an Eternity. Different strokes, again.

Michael,
I’m well aware of the ratio. I also don’t think the resonant frequency would improve that much either, but I look at overall weight of the rod and the reel. The lighter the combination, the more sensitive and less fatiguing it is to use. With a finished rods weighing less than 2.5 oz. and light weight reels (Ald50HG), my rigs are around 7.2 oz. total weight. Like many things, you can reach a point of diminishing returns, but some of us are always looking for ways to improve performance.