Will no one answer my last post

Why would 80 pound braid be stronger than 80 pound mono

because it is made of Areo Space materials ????? More Hype

OR IS IT JUST HYPE ???? Which i would consider ---- Bull

Or do I have to go and do a Google search and see what i find More hype

Which will only Confuse me more -- Any trouth out there Any thing Written In Stone

I mean My President went on TV and LIED to us all A little Trouth Would be nice

Bill - willierods.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2014 05:29PM by bill boettcher.

Breaking strength maybe wrongly listed, but the strength is not SUBJECTIVE!! It either breaks at the listed strength or the listing is wrong.

So your saying - bend over and take it ????

Am I to tell my customers that - @#$%& No

O gee you lost a good fish cause the line broke

ARE YOU KIDDING

Bill - willierods.com

Bill, you are certainly in rare form tonight.

No Bill, we are saying you are being hard headed. The only 80# mono that breaks at 80 pounds (or below) is IGFA listed mono. All other brands on mono will break above 80 pounds. How much more above depends on brand/type.

So does that mean that 80# mono is stronger than 80# mono?????

BTW, ever seen IGFA rated braid???

And if braid is stronger than mono wouldn't St. Croix rate the rods the other way around? As in 50# mono or 30# braid? If anything they are suggesting the opposite of what you are saying.

Russ in Hollywood, FL.

Ten years ago manufacturers recommended a range of mono line weights for their rods. Those of us using braid were spooling line of the same diameter as the mono's recommended, but it was three to five times stronger than those mono lines listed. Some folks said we were voiding our warranties....I believe that St.Croix is just bridging that gap. Welcome to the 21st. Century.

The International Game Fish Association keeps line class records for game fish.
For people interested in challenging these records there are special lines available that are tested to actually break at the weight listed on the spool.
For everybody else, if you care, you can test it yourself or just except whats printed on the box.

Bill,

That line rating has absolutely nothing to do with the line's strength or the rod blank. As has been pointed out by Russ and others, if it had anything whatsoever to do with physics, the line ratings would be reversed. Due to the stretch in mono, the blank would see a significantly lower average force applied to it during shock loading while casting and hook setting, as this is going the lengthen the time that forces are applied to the rod. A line with zero stretch and a rigid (infinitely stiff) rod would see an infinite force applied for an infinitely short period of time during shock loading. In the real world, the force applied vs. time looks like a sharp spike with its width determined by the properties of the line, rod, casting style, etc.

Also, as has been pointed out the breaking strength of a line is as objective of a quantity as you can have. It is what it is, and anything printed on the box is just marketing. As an example, I regularly use Trilene XT in 10lb. test, and it breaks well beyond 10lb., I believe in the 17-20lb. range. As nice as it would be to have every line held to some sort of standard for labeling, it just isn't likely to happen.

The material whether is nylon, spectra/dyneema, or fluorocarbon doesn't make a difference when comparing breaking strengths, just as it doesn't matter whether an object that is a foot long is made of wood, lead, steel, or cotton, a foot is a foot, and a pound of force is a pound of force.

Any other discussion on line type behavior falls into the same sort of conversation as whether to choose a graphite or fiberglass rod blank. Each has its merits, each excels in certain applications, and given enough experience, many will find uses for both types of line and both types of rod blanks.

Joe



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Very well said Joe
Andi

The braid diameter-for-diameter is stronger than mono if you are just talking straight-strength.

But it's not so simple - there are different types of line strength, including straight strength, knot strength, shock strength, and abrasion resistance.

In the real world, when actually fishing, you'll probably have to tie a knot in your line at some point... monos generally have much better knot strength than braid. In fact, with a very good knot and good mono, it is possible to approach the strength of braid.