I have a Batson IST1264f a customer wants me to build on for him. It is a 12" 6' rod that the customer cut down to 10" 6'. The split handle was built to his specifications and is 26" from the butt to the top of the foregrip. I need to find a guide spacing calculator that can help me to correctly place the guides for this rod. Any help would be appreciated. All the calcs that I have found do not take into account the length of the split grip, and have the bottom guide in the middle of the split handle. The guides he provided also seem like a bad fit. He only has nine and they are size: 50,40,35,25,20,15,13,10,10. What do you think?

Static testing is the best way to go, every blank will act different and the calculator and spacing charts cannot take that into effect.

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Super Tight Lines......Don

It'll work. He may have a reason why he provided you with those guides. Nine guides will be fine on that rod. Don't use a chart, set it up the best way you know how. Static load is a sure way to know what the rod needs. Wrap it and give it to him. He'll love it.

Dennis J. Danku
(Sayreville,NJ)

Jonathan,
If you give me the distance from the reel seat to rod tip I can provide a layout with 9 guides even with your fore grip length.


Gene

If you are going to cut down to 10'6" you will be cutting through the foregrip, and the remaining portion of the foregrip will have to be removed, then start from scratch.

According to the Batson web site the IST1264F is already 10'6" ????

Hello Jonathan.

Randolph is right the IST1264F is a Mat Gray 10' 6" 2 pc. 10-17#, 3/8 - 1 1/4oz, with .595 Butt, 5.0 Tip, Mod-Fast Action, MH Power that weighs 4.23oz.

So what gives?
Sorry about that, and it's Rum.

Bob,

New Bern, NC.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2013 08:20PM by Robert A. Guist.

No more beer for you

Ya It is a 1264 not a 1064 ????

have another beer
They are getting me confused LOL

Bill - willierods.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2013 04:56PM by bill boettcher.

Robert, that Is IST1264F. Are we having fun with this post or what? ;>)

IST1264F 10 Foot 6 "

Ge I will have another LOL

Bill - willierods.com

Being serious for just a minute, what is the blank designed for. I think you are talking about a Surf rod blank, is that correct?

Salmon steelhead RX 7 Got to have some power

Bill - willierods.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2013 05:37PM by bill boettcher.

jonathan r ghazal Wrote:
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> I have a Batson IST1264f a customer wants me to
> build on for him. It is a 12" 6' rod that the
> customer cut down to 10" 6'. The split handle was
> built to his specifications and is 26" from the
> butt to the top of the foregrip. I need to find a
> guide spacing calculator that can help me to
> correctly place the guides for this rod. Any help
> would be appreciated. All the calcs that I have
> found do not take into account the length of the
> split grip, and have the bottom guide in the
> middle of the split handle. The guides he
> provided also seem like a bad fit. He only has
> nine and they are size:
> 50,40,35,25,20,15,13,10,10. What do you think?

The IST1264f is 126" long, so 10'6", as noted above. The grip length seems within reason.

As far as the spacing, if you could provide the distance to the center of the reel seat, or to the front of the reel, that would help. Let's suppose your rear grip is 14" from the butt of the rod to the reel seat, and you have a 5" long spinning reel seat. That is 16.5" to the center of the reel seat, and the face of the reel should be about 2" further up the rod, give or take a bit. That puts the top of the spool about 18.5" from the butt. That leaves 126-18.5=107.5" from the reel face to the top of the rod. If you put the 50mm guide 23" further up the rod, that leaves 84.5" for the rest of the guides.

For a calculator, say you put the first 10mm guide 5" from the tip and multiply the space between each pair of guides by 1.15, you'll end up with your guides at 5.00", 10.75", 17.36", 24.97", 33.71", 43.77", 55.33", 68.63", 83.93" from the tip. This should put you in the ball park. From there you can use a static test and tweak it a bit. Once you have an idea on the location of the first guide from the tip and the butt guide, you can adjust the multiplier and come up with something within reason.

Frankly, I would ask specifically about the guide sizing. Using those guides, particularly in conjunction with a split grip is going to result in a horribly tip heavy rod. If you built it with your choice of current guide train design, NGC, KR, or MW, the entire guide train will likely cone in lighter than the butt guide or fairly close. What size reel is he using? I would invite the customer over for a testing session after the handle is constructed. Tape on his guides, and the tape up a 27x, KR or MW setup using 6mm or 8mm PacBay minimas for running guides, depending on how cold of air temps he regularly fishes (assuming its a winter steelhead rod). Have him handle and cast the rod both ways and see which direction he wants to go with for the guide train. If after this session he still wants his set of guides wrap it up for him.

Joe

Hay Joe
Good info - BUT

That rod if the numbers are correct OR if the builder was told Correctly Did not have to be cut
Numbers wrong ??? Like posted Some one playing with some one else
It should have been checked out Simple Go to there site and check !! ??

Simple

put a handle and seat on find a good chart and size the guides Tape them on Static Test it and adjust

All this for what ???? Some thing smells in Denmark

Bill - willierods.com

Why use a size 50 guide on a 10''6" rod, a high frame 25 or 30 would be much better and lighter.

The Batson IST1264 has always been 10 ft. 6 in. long, 126 inches.

Spencer, we already covered that!!

Put the rel on Butt guide ( start ) ring 1/2 size of the spool face plate About 18 - 23" from spool
Take the spool off and with a straight edge alien the spindle up and where it hits the blank is the choke guide position ( start ) from chock every 5" place a guide to tip
From butt guide to chock one - two more guides ??? Adjust
Static test adjust Test cast adjust for good casting performance

check library page for article

Bill - willierods.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2013 07:55AM by bill boettcher.

Thanks for all the info. According to Batson, this is a 10' 6" rod. The customer told me that he cut one foot off of each piece. I did static test it and it turned out really well. This forum has been a great help. I will let you guys know if I have any more questions.

Jonathan
Fly In The Soup Customs

P.S. I'll take a Diet Pepsi!

Did you measure the blank ? Does the blank have specs. written on it? If he cut a foot off each end then the blank would only be 8'6" long. How long is it?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/11/2013 04:42PM by Randolph Ruwe.