Ok, so I got that Lamiglas CGBT961H its an 8' blank. I would love to make it a 9 1/2' to 10',just to do it. Local rod shops here in Ft. Lauderdale are wanting $75.00 to $100.00 to do it for me. But I got into this to do it for my self. So what is the best way to extend that blank? I don't want to use some cheap method like PVC that I see a lot of people doing. What do I use, and how do I do it? So here I am seeking wisdom. I thank you in advance. Tight lines and wraps my friends. Regards, Keith

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Super Tight Lines......Don

Hay Don, thank you so much for the link. That's just what im looking for. Thanks again. Keith

$75-$100 sounds pretty reasonable. I just extended a 9' musky rod to 10'3" and I had over $80 in parts alone.

You may want to check with Lamiglas. There is a high probability that extending the blank will void the warranty.

Don Becker

Donald, I'd like to ask for your opinion if you don't mind.

Leaving aside any question of warranty and all of that.....if Keith were to extend that blank to 10 foot what sort of casting performance would he be looking at? Could it be made into a decent "bait and eight" heaver?

My very limited experience has suggested most trolling rods are poor casting machines but I haven't felt that particular one.

Russ in Hollywood, FL.

Hi Russ,

I checked the Lamiglas pdf files that I have back to 2008 and did not find the model listed. I could have missed it.
The CGBT is Triflex and to me they should be a little more reliable than blanks made with other materials. The Powerlux models would be an exception.

Not knowing the ratings, it would be impossible to comment on 8 & bait.

Having never touched a CGBT, and knowing that it is a Triflex Boat and Trolling blank, I can only speculate. The boat blanks that I am familiar with have a more pronounced bend in the handle. They may also use a butt joined ferrule. This aids in landing a large tuna or GT next to the boat. I am not into boat fishing and have only fished the St. Augustine area one time. So, I will not be your best source of information.

I do have a couple of Kilwell PE-10 & PE-12 rated blanks for tuna and GT. If they were extended to 10 feet, would they cast 8 & bait? Probably. Would they cast it well? Probably not.

I do appolize for the sketchy response. My primary fishing is done from shore with 13' to 15' rods.

Don

Don Becker

Scott Hovanec Wrote:
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> $75-$100 sounds pretty reasonable. I just
> extended a 9' musky rod to 10'3" and I had over
> $80 in parts alone.


Hi Scott, thanks for the response, how does that rod you extended cast?

If you plain on backing up your work

You are better getting a blank that you Do Not Have To Extend
this way if the blank breaks you are backed up by the maker ??

Think about it

Bill - willierods.com

Donald Becker Wrote:
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> Hi Russ,
>
> I checked the Lamiglas pdf files that I have back
> to 2008 and did not find the model listed. I could
> have missed it.
> The CGBT is Triflex and to me they should be a
> little more reliable than blanks made with other
> materials. The Powerlux models would be an
> exception.
>
> Not knowing the ratings, it would be impossible to
> comment on 8 & bait.
>
> Having never touched a CGBT, and knowing that it
> is a Triflex Boat and Trolling blank, I can only
> speculate. The boat blanks that I am familiar with
> have a more pronounced bend in the handle. They
> may also use a butt joined ferrule. This aids in
> landing a large tuna or GT next to the boat. I am
> not into boat fishing and have only fished the St.
> Augustine area one time. So, I will not be your
> best source of information.
>
> I do have a couple of Kilwell PE-10 & PE-12 rated
> blanks for tuna and GT. If they were extended to
> 10 feet, would they cast 8 & bait? Probably. Would
> they cast it well? Probably not.
>
> I do appolize for the sketchy response. My primary
> fishing is done from shore with 13' to 15' rods.
>
> Don

Hi Don, thanks for responding, I found these specs for that blank:
CGBT961H Tri Flex Boat and Trolling Blank 30-50 0.956 14.0 1 16.2 High Gloss Clear $178.00
I have a pier friend who has a similar blank that has had a foot added to it. I kinds like the way it casted from the pier. Please look at the blank specs and let me know what you think. Im learning and sure im going to be doing a lot of things not normal. But that's my life story, lol. Thanks. Keith

Russell Brunt Wrote:
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> Donald, I'd like to ask for your opinion if you
> don't mind.
>
> Leaving aside any question of warranty and all of
> that.....if Keith were to extend that blank to 10
> foot what sort of casting performance would he be
> looking at? Could it be made into a decent "bait
> and eight" heaver?
>
> My very limited experience has suggested most
> trolling rods are poor casting machines but I
> haven't felt that particular one.


Russ, my man. whats up my fellow south florida friend. Thanks for chiming in. You made mention of bait and 8, is that meaning can it cast live bait and throw an 8oz weight? Hope you are well.
And thank you to all who commented on this post.

CGBT961H Tri Flex Boat and Trolling Blank

96 inches
Line 30-50
Butt Diameter 0.956
Tip 14.0
Sections 1
Average Weight 16.2 ounces

Keith,

If you're intending to use it for bait fishing from a pier, it will probably work OK.

If you intend to use it for plugging, the size 14 tip and weight of 16 ounces (plus the extension and build) indicates that you will get worn out fast and your distance would be less than optimum.

If your intent is bait casting from the beach, you will need a longer, lighter, faster action rod. In about 1985 a 12 foot rod was considered long enough for Florida bait casting. About 1990, the desired length became 13 feet.

You may want to try other 10 ft rods prior to making a decision.

Here's one alternative and the blank weighs about 1/2 of the CGBT.
GSB 122 1MH
10'2"
1 Section
40# Line
Lure 6-12 ounces
Butt Diameter 1.045
Tip 17
Average Weight 8.9 ounces

$189.00
Savings - The cost of adding an extension
Additional expense - Shipping
And, if you do not modify the blank, it will have a warranty.


Don

Don Becker

Thanks so much Don, im going to look into that blank. I will still build this one for the practice. Thanks again.

Keith, what is wrong with the SJ100 "for practice"? I think it would be a much better choice.

That Lamiglas blank would be great for some types of fishing down here. Extending it to ten feet and casting with it just isn't one of them (IMHO).

Yes bait and eight means bait (typically dead) and eight ounces of lead. Down here we don't need to cast as much lead as they do farther up north. I'd wager a 9 to 10 foot 1-4 or 2-6 ounce blank would be as much as you would ever need. For a lot of stuff, like pompano and such, you could go much lighter.

Russ in Hollywood, FL.

keith david Wrote:
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> Hi Scott, thanks for the response, how does that
> rod you extended cast?


It casts great. I've done 2 of these extensions for musky guys. The first one (8-36oz rated) for heaving 2 pounders and the second(4-12oz) for big bucktails. The extra length really aids in figure 8's.

Scott Hovanec Wrote:
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> keith david Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hi Scott, thanks for the response, how does
> that
> > rod you extended cast?
>
>
> It casts great. I've done 2 of these extensions
> for musky guys. The first one (8-36oz rated) for
> heaving 2 pounders and the second(4-12oz) for big
> bucktails. The extra length really aids in figure
> 8's.

Thanks so much Scott, the Lamiglas I am speaking of is a 8' 30-50lb trolling\boat rod , how does that compare to the rods you did? Thankful to Don Becker for suggesting that I try the Lamiglas
GSB122 1MH. I am going to make that order soon. But im still curious about the ones you did. Thanks so much. Keith

Russell Brunt Wrote:
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> Keith, what is wrong with the SJ100 "for
> practice"? I think it would be a much better
> choice.
>
> That Lamiglas blank would be great for some types
> of fishing down here. Extending it to ten feet
> and casting with it just isn't one of them
> (IMHO).
>
> Yes bait and eight means bait (typically dead) and
> eight ounces of lead. Down here we don't need to
> cast as much lead as they do farther up north.
> I'd wager a 9 to 10 foot 1-4 or 2-6 ounce blank
> would be as much as you would ever need. For a
> lot of stuff, like pompano and such, you could go
> much lighter.

Whats up Russell? I am still planning on building that SJ100
But I am really trying to learn how to do a cross wrap, so I can
Add a nice touch on that rod. But im not having much luck. Is the
Wrapping software worth the money? Im having fun trying but need
to advance. So have been looking for some input on that part of it. I hope you are well
Thanks

Keith, IMHO rod building can be broken down into "parts" Not many guys are experts at all the individual parts (IMHO again).

1) Pick the right blank for the job. This requires knowledge of the fishing conditions and styles as well as knowledge of the many different blanks.

2) Build it in a manner that yeilds the best performance and results in an efficent rod. This can be constrained by budget to some degree but so can number one. Often the biggest obstacle is getting someone to "get past" how they think a rod should look. Spending the most money on each item is not the way to go.

4) Ergonomics. Sometimes folks have physical limitations that need to be worked around. Even for normal builds people don't give a lot of thought to it. That often relates to "how they think a rod should look".

5) Looks. All you have to do is browse some of the pictures here. For some people a custom rod is all about looks. For others a custom rod is black on black stealth so nobody could tell brand or builder (you don't want to upset your sponsers). It is a highly personal matter. I'll only point out that it can account for the most time/labor and therefore the most money. Also the steepest learning curve. All that extra time and labor does not make it a better fishing tool (in fact it probably adds weight and therfore makes it worse). Lord knows the fish don't care.

As to your questions. Billy's book is certainly worth the money. It will teach you things you would not be likely to figure out on your own. Chances are you will not understand some of it if you have never done a butt wrap. It isn't for the faint of heart but if you are serious, and dedicated, a novice can follow it and have sucess.

BD Ehler has some good beginning info. Just search on his name and download parts one and two on intro to crosswraps. But do ask yourself.......do I really want to spend as much time on one stunning butt wrap as it would take me to build ten good rods? Personaly, I would not even think about point number 5 until I felt I had learned something about 1 thru 4. Learn how to bake a cake before you worry about the icing and decorations.

BTW, my daughter will be out of town starting tomorrow so I will have a little extra time for the next ten days. Give me a call or post here. Maybe we can hook up.....hit the pier or a party boat.....drink a beer, chat, and look at some rod blanks....whatever. I'm more than happy to show/teach you what little I know. I am NOT the guy to teach you crosswraps though.

Russ in Hollywood, FL.

1, 2, 4 ?

Binary numbering or my eyes are getting worse!

Don

Don Becker

LOL! Don, you got me:).....and you didn't even comment on my spelling!!!

Russ in Hollywood, FL.