So after installing my grip and real seat I realized I put the real seat opposite of the spine:(... What
Is the best way to remove the real seat?

Leave it in place and don't worry about the spine. If it really bothers you, you may be able to get the seat off by putting the handle in boiling water for a while, and if all else fails, you will have to cut it off.

Joe

Jason,
You are in luck,
You will have a great fishing rod with the reel on the rod the way that you installed it.

Really, don't worry about the spine.
Build the rod and go fishing.

Roger

p.s.
Generally speaking, a slower action rod requires fewer guides than a faster action rod.

With some of todays extra fast tips, you may need as many as 3 more guides to take care of the tip action, compared to a blank of similar power with a slow or moderate action tip. i.e. the faster tip required more closely spaced guides to keep the line in alignment with the loaded blank.


Take care
Roger

As mentioned above...Fish it and You'll Love it the way it is. For those who pay attention to the spine it would be 10x worse if it was in between, being on the opposite side is no problem.

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Ok thanks guys!

Spine makes no practical difference in how a rod performs.

Also worth remembering that the stiffest and softest axis found on a rod blank are not 180 degrees apart.

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Jason I build some rods that way ON purpose, depending on what I want/need.

Your rod will be perfect! Finish it and fish on.

DR

Thanks Jason for putting this topic on here, I just gotten a new rod blank and was wondering if the spine really matter all that much cause on this rod it is hard to find the bend maybe i got lucky to get a straight blank, or it is a very good rod, it is a HM-MB873-HMX, Can't wait to start building it!

Hey Lorenzo! Mine is also a MHX blank, it is hard to find the spine on the blank but after flexing and rotating it several times, i was able to find it. I just made the mistake of marking the inside of the blank and installing my real seat on that side. I'm glad to have these experienced rod makers give us NEWBS the help we need. Thanks again guys!

The stiff axis (S1-S2) and the soft axis (N1-N2) are actually orthogonal to each other or 90 degrees apart. They rarely feel that they are exactly 90 degrees apart just as the N1 to N2 or the S1 to S2 rarely feel as if they are 180 degrees apart when a blank is spined. This is due to the fact that the two (N1-N2 and S1-S2) rarely cross each other in the exact center of the blank. The point where they cross over is most often offset from the center. The amouint of the offset will determine how many degrees will appear to be between the stiff axis (S1-S2) and soft axis (N1-N2). If they cross in the center of the blank the S1 to S2 will feel 180 degrees apart, the N1 to N2 will feel 180 degrees apart and the angle between the two will be 90 degrees.
If you are interested this is explained better in the technical notes on the web site [CSFA.com]. Also if you are interested you can also look up orthogonality on Wikipedia.



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Please don't let this thread become another diatribe about whose engineering credentials are greatest.

I personally build on the spine, but am beginning to rethink my position since I have several factory rods that are off spine and they cast straight and fight fish just fine.

The fish don't care, maybe we shouldn't either.

The spine effect is created by more than just the physical attributes of the blank layup. There are several anomalies that also contribute to it, such as blank curvature, consistency of wall thickness due to sanding, etc. Even a perfectly verbatim poltruded plastic pipe will exhibit a spine effect.

We do know that when the blank is flexed along the position that places the cumulative thinnest wall on the compression side, the blank is in its weakest position in terms of what it will deadlift on that axis. Building on the effective spine therefore results in the weakest orientation of the blank from the standpoint of fish fighting.

However, since none of us can fish a rod on a single axis, all the talk about spine is of no real importance.

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Save your self some time and just put it in your wrapper rollers If ( and I am sure it even a little ) the tip goes in a circle bring the tip in the upward position Mark that as top ( fishing position ) Build it

It will fish very well indeed

Bill - willierods.com

He's already glued the seat on - I think that was the point. He was worried that his rod would somehow not perform up to par or do horrendous things because the spine wasn't oriented "properly." As we know by now, there is no such thing as proper spine orientation. It'll be fine and there is no real need to be concerned.

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Tom brings up an important point (as usual) that I think is glossed over. Nowhere else would we place the weakest axis on the load bearing side than in rod building. It is plain backwards to any rational line of thought. The original notion was well intended but to be blunt (or is that brunt:) it is plain wrong.

Russ in Hollywood, FL.

he sounds like one of those guys that comes on here --- and after a few years reads of - locating spine - then is not here for a while - Now Thinks He Messed Up ??

All most have to do is come to this site several times a week and read posts --- that will educate them on any new trends that have been implied A lot of builders here do testing They find that the Spine is not important .

How long was this - Several years ??

All ya got to do is - press a button -- and read Even once a month --- And you can learn a lot

That is why this site is the best Sorry Old School No one handed me any thing on a plater Ya got to learn

Bill - willierods.com

Bill,
What the heck are you trying to say?? The guy asked a simple, honest question!!!!!!

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!

How long or how many years have builders not used the Spine on a rod ??? And built on the Straightest Axis

Bill - willierods.com

Bill,
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"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble.It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." Mark Twain
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