hi, i want to build four rods to be used for a variety of fishing techniques in freshwater. they will be used for boat fishing and almost always used in rod holders. i plan to use them for flat lining crankbaits, sometimes used with planer boards(2 rods), flat lining with snap on weights, trolling without downriggers, various mooching type setups or similar to mooching with a max weight size of 4oz and most of the time 1-3oz. i want two in the 8 foot range and two in the 10 foot range. they will be used for a variety of fish from 3-10# walleye to 20-30# king salmon. i plan to use them with single action daiwa mooching reels so i want the guides on the bottom and want a longer front grip and long rear grip for the rod holders, similar to a mooching rod. im considering using casting type guides. id like to use as light as line as possible and as light power as i can get away with. the tip action of the rod is very important as i need to be able to see the lure working and know when its weeded up or fouled so sensitivity is a consideration. ive been looking at the rainshadow BP1024F and the BP1264F. anyone familiar with these two? id appreciate any comments on designing this type of rod and any thoughts on mooching rods. thanks alot, mark

Take a look at Lamiglass. They seem to have several that seem to fit what your looking for

Bill - willierods.com

I'd definitely use single foot guides.

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Bill - willierods.com

You picked the perfect blanks for your situation.

First the BP1024 set up as conventional Bait Casting style. I'm also a big fan of Spiral warp so let me know if that's a possibility I have a few suggestions there as well.

BP1024F
Rainshadow Salmon Steelhead

Component Part Number Part Description
Rod Blank Model # BP1024 8'6" 2pc Med 12-17 Salmon/Steelhead
Butt Cap: EVABC20 EVA Butt Cap 19.8 mm
Reel Seat Body: GT17C 17mm Graphite Trigger R/S - Black
Reel Seat Hood: GT17C-SN-B Hood w/cush Single Nut -Black
Fore Grip: FG5A-400 5" Foregrip Grade 'A' .400" ID
Rear Grip: WHGRY-12 12" Woven Graphite Handle-Grey (1.05" OD / .970" ID)
Rear Grip arbors WHKA x 3 + WBBC/WBEC Arbors for woven handle
Winding Check: BWC14 Black PVC/Rubber
Hookeeper: XHKS-B Small Black Hook Keeper SS316
Tip Top XBPPLT07R06.0 SS316-RRD 'P' Top 07 'H' ring 6.0 tube - DBC/Black-ALPS
Guides (see below for size and quantity) XBLXNLG SS316-LXN Guide w/'H' ring - DBC/Black-ALPS

Guide order from the tip top Guide Guide Placement - In inches from the tip top
1st XBLXNLG07 3.75"
2nd XBLXNLG07 7.75"
3rd XBLXNLG07 12.25"
4th XBLXNLG07 17.25"
5th XBLXNLG08 23.5"
6th XBLXNLG08 30"
7th XBLXNLG10 37"
8th XBLXNLG10 45"
9th XBLXNLG12 54"
10th XBLXNLG16 63.5"


Rod Blank Model # Rainshadow BP1265 Knuckle Buster Mooching Reel rod holder set up
Butt cap: EVABC20 EVA cap
Front Cap:
Rear Grip: WHGRY-10 use with WBBC + WBEC and 3 WHKA "woven tubing for rod holder"
Handle Arbor:
Reel Seat: GS18C-B 18 spin seat
Reel Seat Shim SHIM 18 spin
Foregrip: BR12-500 EVA cut tenon off before mounting will need to ream to fit
Winding Check: BWC11
Hookeeper: BHKS
Tip Top BPUT07R05.5
1st guide from tip top BUDUG07 Black frame with Blue Zircon ring
2nd guide from tip top BUDUG07
3rd guide from tip top BUDUG07
4th guide from tip top BUDUG07
5th guide from tip top: BUDUG08
6th guide from tip top: BUDUG08
7th guide from tip top: BUDUG08
8th guide from tip top: BUDUG10
9th guide from tip top: BUDUG12
10th guide from tip top: BUDUG16
11th guide from tip top: BUDUG20

Guide spacing Specs(inches from tip, center ring over mark) 4.25-9-14.25-20.25-27-34.5-43-52.5-62.75-74-86



I may add the RDR86MH or 96MH made with mostly E glass for the ultimate parabolic bend. I have this set up designed that fishes very well.

Rod Blank Model # RDR96MH Knuckle buster rod holder Mooching
Butt cap: EVABC20
Front Cap:
Rear Grip: WHGRY-10 Ten inch woven rear grips for in and out if the rod holder
Handle Arbor: WHKA X 3 + WBBC+WBTC
Reel Seat: GS18C-B Threads down
Reel Seat Shim SHIM/18Spin
Foregrip: BR12-625 12 inch EVA cut the butt cap tenon off will need to ream to fit
Winding Check: BWC15
Hookeeper: BHKS
Tip Top BPUT08F08.0
1st guide from tip top BUDUG07
2nd guide from tip top BUDUG07
3rd guide from tip top BUDUG07
4th guide from tip top BUDUG07
5th guide from tip top: BUDUG08
6th guide from tip top: BUDUG08
7th guide from tip top: BUDUG10
8th guide from tip top: BUDUG12
9th guide from tip top: BUDUG16
10th guide from tip top: BUDUG20

Guide spacing Specs(inches from tip, center ring over mark) 3.5-7.5-12-17-22.5-28.5-38-49-62-76

Karry Batson
Batson Enterprises Inc.
Ph: (877) 875-2381
Fax: (360) 683-3579
karry@batsonenterprises.com
www.batsonenterprises.com

thanks everybody for your input. much appreciated. karry, thanks for all the great info. thats a big help and i will be using that info.
tom, what about using double foot guides in the lower section and single foot towards the last 3-4' of the blank? why do you recommend single foots for this type of rod? best, mark



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2010 12:04AM by Mark Vanderhoof.

With that amount of length it's important to keep weight off the upper half of the rod. Single foots generally weigh less and are more than sturdy enough for a rod of that type.

You can certainly mix and match double foots on the bottom half and single foots on the top if you like.

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excellent. thanks tom. thats what ill do. ill use single foots on at least the top third of the rod. thanks, mark

I actually used single foot guides on the tip section of the 10'6" but from all the boat abuse from fishing the salt, not always the best water conditions as you could imagine and the 1-6 ounce mooching leads plus bait dragging I found that the Double foot guides offer a bit more durability over all maybe just more peace of mind than anything :)

Karry Batson
Batson Enterprises Inc.
Ph: (877) 875-2381
Fax: (360) 683-3579
karry@batsonenterprises.com
www.batsonenterprises.com