If you were building a heavy vertical jigging rod, 80 - 150# in a spinning configuration, what would be your choice of guide style?

I'd build it new guide concept with regular high frame spinning guides for the butt and transition guides, then use heavy, low frame double foot casting type guides for the choker and running guides. In fact I've done it and it works well.

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What type of jigging ? species targeted ?

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The blank is one of the Vertical Jigging blanks from Mud Hole. Must likely will be using bait, 200 ft plus for halibut in Alaska. Not to say I wouldn't throw on a jig once in awhile. Also building a 50-100 rod built conventional style. Using Turbo style on it. My thoughts are that the regular high frame and shorter spinning guides would not hold up to the strain.

They will hold up, but remember that there are HD versions of most spinning and casting guides. There are also large ring heavy duty casting guides that can double as spinning butt and transition guides. You should be able to build to the level of strength you need.

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That blank will take more than anyone can physically give it, so it becomes how much is the person you are building it for physically capable of.

TSVSG guides are perfectly fine and will hold up to about 30-35# of drag which is more than most people are physically capable of enduring over a long period.
SVSG if you dont want to break the bank.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2009 06:25PM by Sean Cheaney.

Thanks for all your help. I did not think that the TSVSG stye would hold up to that kind of strain. I'm going to givr it a try.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2009 10:30PM by Sean Cheaney.

Since that blank is parabolic the greatest load will come at the guide closest to the vertex of the parabola. That will usually by the 2nd or 3rd guide from the butt.

I dont feel like doing physics right now, but that load should be about 3/4 of what the total drag is. If you cannot hurt that frame at 35# of drag, you are good to go. I'm not exactly sure, but I WOULD try it on a less expensive guide to find out.

we have been building heavy PE8-10 (80-100+) spin jigging rods and heavier for using the Fuji BMNAG in Alconites, or the MNSG Sic guides with out any problems using the rods with 500g plus jigs for amberjack and dogtooth tuna. Another option would be the ALPS 316 XXNZG although they only apear to go up to 30mm dia.
Without a harness, and I assume you are not using a harness if using a rod with a spin cinfiguration, you will be hard pushed to work the rod much beyond 30lbs of drag for any length of time.
If I were building the rod for myself I would go with an overhead reel on a spiral wrap configured rod as Tom suggests !

I wasn't suggesting a casting rod with a spiral wrap, although a conventional reel is indeed better for this type of super heavy fishing and a spiral wrap would really be the best thing on such a rod.

But you can use a spinning outfit on big fish, to a point. The guides aren't going to fail unless you step on them or beat the rod on something. They're easily as strong as the blank within the confines of what they have to do on the rod. On a spinning rod, the load is most often straight below the guides so there is no damaging pressure on the legs and feet - the guides aren't being twisted.

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Most of high end Japanese vertical jigging rod used SIC guides ICMNSG or MNSG on both spinning and conventional rod.
Or you can go with Alconite guides BMNAG or CMNAG for less money.
I built some vertical jigging rod with Alconite guides and never have a problem PE or Braided line digging on the guides.

Sean
to have 3/4 of the total drag as a guide load , that's one heck of a line angle at that guide.( line in - lineout..................like about 83 degrees & probably terminal for the blank before you reach such an angle).
( even one of those almost indestructable ulglysicks will have trouble at that sort of line angle on any guide.

Respectfully think you've got your physics jumbled or its a typo.

It wasnt a typo. It was just a best approximate guess. Guess my guess was a bit off. :)

No worries Sean
Happens to all of us on occasions.