Can anyone provide guide sizes and positions for a 13' Rainshadow 1569 that will be set up for a Penn 525 Mag? Also, can you provide the reel seat position?

Thanks much,

Bill

An article on surf rod construction like the one in RodMaker magazine back issue Vol. #7 Iss. #1 would I think be the best source of info for you. It's to the left at the RM magazine site, cheap assurance that your getting the best rod for your time and money.

butt ring is a 25mm tip 10mm
butt ring on the butt section other rings on tip
guides normally 9 plus tip spaced to suit rod (so line flows smooth when loaded at just under 90 degrees) use poss 3x 10mm then run them up to the 25mm butt ring
as for the reel for a low seat about 6 inches up from butt
for high seat place the butt in you arm pit sopen your fingers and where the forefinger ends is the CENTRE of the reel

hope this helps its a british mock up as used by the world surf casting guys and there hitting 300+yards

I set the reel seat where the customer wants it. If they have no idea then I ask them to assume a comfortable stance with legs separated at shoulder width, arms relaxed holding the blank as if preparing for a cast. The "reel hand" should be placed so that thumb is toward sthe tip. I make a mark there, and call that the center of the reel foot.

USUALLY this measurement is a little longer than the "butt under the armpit" method. Example, in my case the method I mention results in a mark of 31", whereas the butt under the armpit measurements result in a mark of only 27" - too short for a 13' blank IMHO. Since during the cast you have to overcome the lever(age) of the rod, the longer you can make the arm (no, not the human arm, but the term when referring to levers) the easier it is to load the rod.

Bottom line, don't make the butt too short, and do make a few practice casts with the guides taped on to see what it feels like.

Lou

wont go into the complexitys of casting lou but as a tournement caster that can hit 270 yards i would disagree... i can cast a butt section with only one ring 8 inches down from the spigot and a 4 oz lead well over 100 yards. the leverage of the rod is a myth to cast effectily you have to Compress the rod hence we use rods in the reel down position for casting (almost like a fly rod just enough room for your left hand which controls the reel) the right arm is just a pivot point try this with a beach caster and see what a difference you get
start with the lead about half the length of the rod. draw a line on thefloor (representing the surf draw another line at 45 degrees off this line.. stand with feet about shoulder width apart left foot (assuming right handed ) facing the surf line left foot at 90 degreesto the 45degree line.. twist your body rond so you looking over your right shoulder as far as you can. bend the body over the right leg... the rod wants to be a 90(ish)degree angle to the surf and the lead at 45 degrees to the tip.
look at an imaginary spot at about 11 o`clock in the sky.start to rotate the body keeping the arms and rod still.when you are facing forwards start to bring the arms round "javlin style" as the left arm reaches full extension towards the spot you are looking at pull down with the left and push over with the right
let em rip (someone else can bring that one back lol)
if you try this with a dry rod (no reel or lead) you will see the mecanics of compresing the rod and therefore see that reel seat position can be lowered to enable further distance.
we dont use the reel in the down position for fishing as it is impractical to "play " a large fish with nowhere to "seat"the rod in the groin area and comfortably wind in
Fixed spool reels are a bit different but the same principal

sorry for the long post but it is a common mis conception that a rod is a lever and therefore needs a fulcrum it does but the compression of the rod like a spring works better

tight lines
allen

Are you trying to describe a pendulum cast?

My personal best was 726' at Salvo, NC casting AA class. Check out this pic, recognize any of these folks?

Rolland Johnson, his boy Jerry, me, Angel Villalpondo. I used to cast when Joe Moore used to run the organization. Others here (Salvo) Slack, Bill Kennedy, etc.

Rolland Johnson, from Cheaspeake, VA is the US National champ with over 800'. Notice the butt length on his rod, for that matter notice the butt length on all the top reel rods. Rolland and I cast low reel, Angel high reel - just so happens that we were casting high reel this day. None of the reel seats are placed at arms length measurements.

The guide placement you recommend is widely used on tournament rods with x-fast action tips - ie. Zziplex, conoflex, etc. Guide sizes tend to be smal on the tip on tournament rods since your casting 10-12 lb test line with some shock.

Lou Reyna
Va Beach, VA

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no i use a pendulum on the field but find that with a well executed off the ground cast on the beach i can hit as far as i need to go
line weights over here dont mean anything for tournements we use diameters supplied by suffix. along with straight 50-60lb leaders
leads are also supplied and very acurate in weight.
what i was trying to do for the main was show that the reel seat position on a beach rod is for the most in a high position but in the low and the right hands then great distances can be got.
the purpose of describing the cast was to expel the misconception that the rod is the lever and sheer power will bang the lead
(you know yourself as a touney man just how many people have potential but never seem to hit anything over 100yds due to the fact they dont compress or load the rod first)
sorry dont recognise any one but im in the UK (270yards BTW equates to 810 feet)