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Morton Graph
Posted by: Bruce A. Tomaselli (---.dioceseaj.org)
Date: December 07, 2005 10:30AM

What issue of RodMaker did Don Morton's graph appear? Thanks

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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Mike Barkley (---.nap.wideopenwest.com)
Date: December 07, 2005 10:58AM

It didn't as far as I know. It can be purchased from Mudhole

Mike

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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Anonymous User (Moderator)
Date: December 07, 2005 11:06AM

Actually it did, I'd have to go look it up, but Don outlined the system in a complete article done back in '01 I think.


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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Emory Harry (---.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
Date: December 07, 2005 11:27AM

There is a point that should possibly be made here about the Morton graph.
There have been many discussions here about whether or not an equation could or even should be written that would lay out guides and their spacings or not. If you believe that an equation can not be written to accomplish this at least without some tweeking of the guide positions because of the individual differences in blanks then the same thing is true for the Morton graph because an equation can be written for the graph that would result in exactly the same guide positions as the graph dictates.

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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Anonymous User (163.206.192.---)
Date: December 07, 2005 11:43AM

When you position the flexed blank over the graph the individual differences in the blanks will result in different guide locations.

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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Stan Gregory (---.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)
Date: December 07, 2005 12:02PM

RMM Vol 4, Issue #6. Also see Vol 4, Issue #5.
Stan

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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Emory Harry (---.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
Date: December 07, 2005 01:28PM

Mike,
Yes, I understand. Maybe I did not express myself clearly. My point was that those that believe that an equation can not be written that will take into account all of the variables then they logically have to think that the same thing is true of a graph because an equation can be written for the graph. And an equation can be written for the stiffness or flex of the blank as well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/07/2005 01:31PM by Emory Harry.

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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Anonymous User (Moderator)
Date: December 07, 2005 02:05PM

Right, it's just easier to use such a graph as all the math has been done or is done, while you're using the graph - it's behind the scenes. Just like using a computer - the math involved in each act is hidden behind the interface; the user never has to bother with it. This is one of the interactive methods that I spoke of earlier and another reason why I think such methods are far easier to use.

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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Cliff Hall (---.dialup.ufl.edu)
Date: December 07, 2005 11:34PM

If you have the new MUD-HOLE 2006 Catalog, page 94 has a picture of the “Don Morton Equal Angle Line Guide Spacing Placement Grid” ($55). Since I don't have a Morton Grid, I am not sure I "see" or understand how it accounts for a wide range of different rod TAPERS and LENGTHS, and how the Grid design determines the correct location of the CENTER of the rod's curvature.

But that may be MY problem, and not a limitation of the actual graphical grid. I do see the approximately parallel or nearly concentric curves along which the rod may be curved. I guess they account for the differences in rod length and taper (within a certain range). But I am in the process of asking myself if the two fixed points (one for the rod butt, and a clamp for the rod tip) FORCE a certain curvature. Or if the fixed points FIND a natural loading curve for that rod blank, without placing too artificial a constraint on the loaded rod’s curvature. …

It may not make much difference, ... and that uncertainty (or skepticism) may go beyond my superficial question. For $55, it sure looks as scientific as you can get (and avoids the mumbo-jumbo). The Morton Grid is tangible, visual, interactive and sure looks easy to use. The Morton Grid should definitely take a lot of guess-work out of the guide-spacing process, at whatever level of expertise you are at. And, as far as a wall-hanging goes, it is much less objectionable to the Mrs. than the old holiday tool calendars, ... -Cliff Hall+++, Gainesville, FL-USA*****

P.S. - I just checked 5 VERY different rods, 2 or 3 at a time (5’UL-Fast, 6’-Light-Fast, two 6’6”-Med-F and a 7’-XXHeavy-SLOW blank, from the top section of an old 9’ Surf rod ferruled at the reel seat). Tips down in the carpet, hold the handles together, and push them down, until the tips were parallel to the floor. To my surprise, they did form very similarly shaped curves, which implies a common center. So, if that is how the Morton Grid works, it looks like another “LGTM” method & device. I don’t have 5 floor-mounted rod holders to use while tying the rod tips to the wall or floor at a 90 degree angle of deflection. Such a test is more like an actual load from fishing, because the carpet has a tendency to push the rod tip backwards. But it does look like this Morton Grid is a pretty neat tool, … IMO, –CMH. [“Looks Good To Me”]

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Re: Morton Graph
Posted by: Anonymous User (Moderator)
Date: December 08, 2005 08:40AM

The plotting lines extend outward from a central point, thus they will hit or intersect different length and/or different taper rods at different locations, but always at the same angles.

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