There are also a lot of things that can be sprayed onto the rod and guides that helps guide ice up. One is that Spam. A search should come up with more.

Bil,

SPAm would make a pretty messy guide, although I understand PAM works well! LOL!

Sorry about that, did not check the spelling.
It would taste good though ??!!

Yeah the shrinking theory makes sence especially if the ring shrank more in comparison to the frame. This would for sure brake the bond between the adhesive and the ring. Practically it is the same phenomena but just to the other direction that we use to unsecure eg a reel seat by heating it up.

I've heard good things about Recoils in a winter fishing rod. If I recall right they claim that they would not collect ice buildup so easily.



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For the weight maybe even saltwater heavy single foot wire of a larger ring size. No ring to pull out if it ices up, and possibly get a little more ware out of them.

one of my rings came out of one of my titan guides yesterday..this happened while on the river in 70 degree weather.i was snagged on a rock i straightened my rod and cranked down on the handle thumbed my spool and popped my 12 lb. mono.like i have done every time i was snagged. while doing this one ring popped out along with flatening most all of the single foot titans all the way to the tip.

Flatening ??? You mean the guides bent and flatened out ?? That don't sound right ?
I always try to snap my line to get unstuck

It would be rare that a ceramic ring would expand/contract very much in the normal range of temperatures on this planet. This is one reason why ceramics make such good insulators.

Most likely, if rings are coming out of frames, it's poor adhesive or faulty construction at the factory.

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all the single size 7 and 6's layed down almost touching the blank.

Normal stainless steels have about the same or higher thermal expansion coefficient than normal titanium alloys. This means that from temperature change's point of view titanium + ceramic ring should be more stable than SS + ceramics. Ceramics have a lot smaller thermal expansion coefficient than either titanium or SS.

Cheers,
Sakari

Gentlemen - I realize that this Thread is as cold as ... an ice glacier, but I was doing some research on the Titans, it brought me back to this report. I don't know why this did not occur to me back in October, but I was only marginally interested in this Thread to begin with.

ANYWAY, we all know that WATER EXPANDS when it FREEZES and forms ICE. And we all know that that power of expansion can readily crack BOULDERS, never mind low-mass ceramic toroidal rings. If any teeny weeny GAP between the metal frame and the NanoLite ring allowed WATER to enter that gap, and it became ICE, it is no surprise to me that the ice could overpower the ring glue and cause the guide ring to POP out: on ANY brand of line guide, using any ceramic insert ring, regardless of the insert material, the frame material or the manufacturer. I have not examined any Titan rings at close range, but the gap could be invisible to the naked eye and still let water enter the gap. Since the ceramic is so incompressible, the ring could pop OUT rather than change shape, like the metal frame may tolerate.

I suspect that this failure has far more to do with the actual and very unique fishing conditions than any short-coming of the product on the part of the manufacturer. I don't know if this occurred that day of fishing, but keeping the rod tip out of the water in freezing weather would certainly help keep ice from forming between the guide ring and the guide frame.

FURTHERMORE, I am not saying that ICE formation inside a gap is what caused this failure, but it is an educated guess that I thought was still worth posting. ... Since I now live in Florida, I only rarely fish in freezing weather any more, and have no recent experience with ice on my line guides.

And, also, as Denis said, if the ice had actually frozen the fly line to the line guide, the fact that his rings were being pulled out is also testimony to how powerful an encasement ice can form once it crystallizes. It may only take a few seconds, if the wind is right, and the water & air are cold enough, and the cast is forceful enough. ... IMO, ... -Cliff Hall+++, Gainesville, FL-USA*****



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