I have had three tips come loose recently. I am using Gudebrod ferrule cement any ideas?

Yes Take it off, clean it, get some 5 minute and use that.

are you scuffing the blank to remove the shiny finish
that might help

david williams

Also, no matter what glue you use, the proper sized tip top is needed. If it's too loose fitting, it won't be a good bond. I use 5 minute epoxy.

Putter
Williston, ND

Also, the INSIDE of the tip-top's tube should be scored witth a round jeweler's file. Are you getting enough glue INSIDE the tube before you introduce the rod tip? There should, of course, be glue applied to the rod blank itself (which should also be scored). But use any ingenuity needed to be sure that there is enough glue on the INSIDE of the tube before the rod tip is introduced. Toothpicks work well. Also, you may need to spin the tube to ensure glue distribution. The hot-melt glues are pretty viscous, and you have to ensure good distribution of the adhesive. Feel and hearing may help. I'm inclined to want some glue to exude as a sign of plenty, but NOT as a sign of total expulsion. It is easy to blame the adhesive, when a tip-top comes loose. But it is more likely to almost always be the method of application and the technique of the rod-builder that is to blame. Humbling, but true. Living & learning right there with ya, -LOL, Cliff Hall, Gainesville, FL-USA+++



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2005 01:04PM by Cliff Hall.

P.S. --Dale Cecil: "I have had three tips come loose recently. I am using Gudebrod ferrule cement -- any ideas?" ... Dale, have YOU gotten any new ideas about what went wrong, 3 times in a row, with the Gudebrod hot-melt glueing? Or are you just gonna try epoxy and forget it??

Probably most rod-builders find 5-minute epoxy easier to work with, for glueing tip-top tubes to the rod tip, than using any of the hot-melt glues, of which Gudebrod Stick Ferrule Cement is one. And many would say that the 5-minute epoxy holds better in the long run than the hot-melt glues anyway.

This summer here in North Central Florida, I used a meat thermometer to measure the temperature inside my car, in some places where my rod tip may wind up during transport. Suffice to say that where the dashboard meets the windshield, I recorded temperatures routinely over 120 degrees F, and as high as 170 degrees F when the car was stationary and in direct sunlight.

That does it for me. The melting point of some brands of low-melt glues is as low as 190 degrees Fahrenheit. I honestly do not know what the melting point of the Gudebrod Ferrule Cement is. But I am going to try the epoxy next time. And mount the first guide an extra 1 inch away from the rod-tip. That way, if I ever need to replace a broken tip-top, I won't have to use heat to crack the epoxy or melt the hot-glue. That would allow me to avoid frying the rod blank itself with my cigarette lighter, and ruining an even longer than one-inch section of the rod tip (which I have done before). -LOL! -Cliff Hall+++