Hi all, and thanks for all tips received.

Would like to know the benefits(?) of the spigot ferrule vs the sleeve over type.
On many expensive blanks/rods I have noticed there are spigot ferrules. On most inexpensive rods one will find the sleeve-over type.
I have read somewhere (I think it was posted in this forum) that the sleeve-over type is harder to produce but also gives the best perfomance. Is this really true? Cant figure this out. If that was the case then the later one should be more expensive. Right?
I personally prefer the spigot type.

Does anybody have any opinions about this?

Best regards:
G. Sandberg

The tip over butt would seem to offer advantages that the spigot can't. The spigot was developed first I think but has falled a bit by the wayside as the sleeve over developed into the tip over butt and has been adopted by more and more makers. You won't find tip over butt ferrules on cheap rods though. What you see on those are the ones where the tip actually goes into the butt and they are prone to failure.

In the article Ralph O'Quinn did in RodMaker on repairing ferrules he stated something about spigot ferrules not really being suitable especially on fine diameter rods.

Quality multi piece rods seem very good no matter what type ferrules they have. But I would rate the best rods with tip over butt ferrules as being better than the best rods with spigot ferrules. I have had less trouble with wear and tips coming off and a better almost one piece feel with the really good tip over butt types. That is just my experience in some 30 years of fishing multi piece rods.

The old design of spigot ferrules did not work to good, but the new design spigot ferrule system that Hal Bacon designed on the Eastbranch rods works very well, and on the new Fisher rods works very well also.. I have done test on all the joints of spigots and the tip over butt system and I dont see any differences, they all have the same flat spots.. The trick to keep sections together is screw the top section on about 1/4 turn to allign guides, same way with tip over butt rods.. I have seen alot of rods come apart out fishing and it doesnt matter what ferrule system they are useing.. Do that 1/4 turn and you will not have any more problems with the sections comeing apart.. Thanks Dave's Rods

If we are to consider the many dozens of spigot ferrules that I have repaired/rebuilt -- it doesn't say very much for the durability of the design. They are especially bad on the tip sections. Recently I repaired ---rather re-built a fisher tip section on a 5 piece rod wherein the ferrule had a piece of .045 drill rod imbedded in its center. This was probably the mandrell that the ferrule was wrapped on, and they just left it in. A very dumb piece of engineering. Steel that hard simply will not withstand the flexure/fatigue of a fly rod tip section. Once the steel fatigued and broke, the graphite ferrule was very short lived. A practically new rod too. I rebuilt the ferrule into a tip over type and the rod is better than new. I fail to see any improvement in the new design. The only reason that spigot ferrules are used at all is because they are cheap and easy to make. They do not have the flexure properties of an external ferrule, and are a total failure on tip sections where the ferrule is so much smaller in diameter than the rod.
Ralph

I agree Ralph the new design will be out soon. How many Eastbranch rods have you had to fix?? Hal has improved the design of the Spigots but, he has not rolled any new Fisher blanks yet, so you are fixing old design rods, not new.. The old design Fishers, the spigot had to be sanded down smaller than the tip section, if you can slide the spigot up through the bottom side without doing a bunch of sanding then they will hold up.. Ralph since I started selling Fisher blanks a few people have been sending me broken rods to fix , and most of them just had a single spigot, I put graphite inside of graphite, about 3 or 4 on butts and mid and tips I put 2..

I also saw a Scott add in a Magazine and their ad showed the same way how I do Spigots..

Dave
I thought that Fisher and Eastbranch were out of business??? May I ask where you have gotten any newly manufactured Fisher blanks?
Just curious
NeilB