I assume that overwrap is a second or mutiple layers of thread one ontop of another,if this is the correct assumption,when is this required and why and how many overwraps???

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Only really needed on heavy salt water rods. The underwrap is used to help protect the blank from the guide doing any damage to it.

Now you thru a curve at me with that underwrap statement,,,,lets see if I got this correct ,do a wrap on the blank called an underwrap,then position the guide on this bed of thread and wrap over everthing and thats called an overwrap?

DL

Yes. The definition is probably in the glossary page

You can also do a search of this site and get loads of info on it.
On light rods it will add weight because of the extra thread and finish
On light rods just make sure your guides are preped well. The underneath should be as smooth as a babys butt

I tried that glossory before I asked the question and I can't get the search to work.

Thanks anyway

If your doing light stuff you don't need it

Try underwrap



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2005 08:17AM by bill boettcher.

Dick,

Your assumption that an `overwrap` is a second or multiple layers of thread on top of another is not quite accurate. The question ` when is this required' is simply answered, `always'.

Forget thread wraps and think of the guides. The generally accepted `overwrap' is the thread wrap that goes `over' the guide, i.e. the wrap to hold it in place. The undewrap is a wrap of thread that goes onto the blank prior to positioning the guide. The underwrap is used as either a decorative wrap or in certain cases to cushion the guide feet but, as has been said in another answer, proper guide foot preparation eliminates the need for an underwrap. Having said that it is regularily used on heavier boat, trolling, stand-up rods etc but primarily for asthetic reasons not to particularily cushion a heavy walled saltwater blank.

Use an underwrap on any rod you choose but it does add a slight bit of weight. Not that important on a trolling rod using a reel weighing perhaps 6lbs but could make a difference on say a 3 -6 weight fly rod.

From memory the lightest rod I`ve used an under-wrap on would be a 12 or 14ft salmon fly rod and that was the clients choice. Every rod ever built uses an over-wrap as that is the one that holds on the guides.

Then again some builders may refer to the decorative threads used to create say a diamond wrap over an underwrap of a contrasting colour as the `over-wrap' but I think the generally accepted understanding is the wrap that holds on the guides.
Hope I aint confused the issue,

Stan.

Stan

I just thought he knew that guides are held in place buy a wrap of thread ????

There is no search function in the glossary. Just find the term you need in alphabetical order.

All guides have at least one "overwrap." Just as Stan mentioned, they aren't going to stay on the rod if you don't have at least one layer of thread over the guide feet. So any "overwrap" refers to a wrap made over the guide feet. "Underwrap" refers to wraps made underneath the guide feet.

A "double" wrap is generally a double overwrap, where you have two layers of thread over the guide feet. This is normally only done on very heavy saltwater boat and trolling rods where you need additional protection against abrasion or very rough handling. When you see "triple" wrap, that refers to three layers of thread over the guide feet.


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The search is up on top of the page in the RED banner

I guess you all think I'm stupid ,I won't bother you with anymore questions

DL

No Dick

I think I just misunderstood your question.
Most all guides are placed on the blank and one wrap of thread holds them in place. Then covered with a clear finish to protect them
Heavy rods as salt water may have an underwrap and one or two over wraps of thread. Because of the heavy use.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2005 10:24AM by bill boettcher.

Dick,

Nobody thinks you're stupid!!!! The best thing about this site is you can ask anything and there is no such thing as a "stupid" question. People are just trying to help. If they thought you were stupid, they would have just ignored you.

Mike

Dick,

as Mike mentioned above you are not thought stupid and your question was in no way stupid. The only way to get an answer is to ask the question which in your case was perfectly legitimate and fair.

Stan

Soryy ,guess this 70 year old phart got up on the wrong side of the bed yesterday,

thanks for all the help

I was told by a professional rod builder that an underwrap is a prequisite for warranty on G Loomis rods. We were talking spinning rods if that makes a difference. Can anybody verify that?

Does that builder come on this board ??

I was told by a professional rod builder that an underwrap is a prequisite for warranty on G Loomis rods. We were talking spinning rods if that makes a difference. Can anybody verify that?

G. Loomis doesn't even underwrap their own rods so I doubt that they would require you to do an underwrap! Shoot them an e-mail or call. I

Mike

Not sure the builder is on here or not.

I'm kind of new at this gig (1.5 yrs and a dozen rods) so I try to keep learning and this forum has helped a lot! I currently have 2 G Loomis blanks to build so was wondering about the underwraps. Haven't done underwraps before.

What parameters determine when an underwrap should be used?