Hey guys might you guys have any instructions for the traditional placement i would do they new concept but i dont have the right guides so i will need some instructions for the old guide system any help will be appreciated..also in both of my books it only discusses the new concept system

There really isn't anything to it really. And I've always been surprised that we didn't realize just how poor it was.

Well, start with a ring size that is about 1/2 the diameter of your reel's spool diameter. On freshwater set ups, put the butt guide about 10 to 23 inches past the reel spool. On larger saltwater type set ups, put the butt guide about 21 to 26 inches (further on really large reels) past the reel spool. Now set the rest of the guides in a progressive fashion towards the tip. Go through the range of guides such as - 40 • 30 • 25 • 20 • 16 • 12 • 10 and 8, plus top. Start with the ring size mentioned above. Do a static distribution test to ensure you have enough guides and that they are properly placed. The go out and do some test casting. Move the butt guide up an inch or so and see what your best distance is. Keep moving it in the direction until you no longer gain any distance. Then go back to the starting point and begin moving it the opposite direction and see what distances you can record. Move it only until you no longer get any more distance. Once you locate the point where it gives you your best distance, set it there and adjust the rest of the guides as needed.

For casting rods, use the static distribution method on the library page.

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yes i know i have heard that the traditional way gives less casting and accuracey but i dont have the aproiapte guides t the the fuji convential way and thank you for the help by they way this is my first rod

Patrick,
There really is no traditional placement of guides. There are general placement charts, which are a good starting point. I assume you are working on a kit? If so, and assuming you got it from a reputable source, just do a static distribution test and you'll be fine.

I use the concept system for my own stuff but I'm still nervous a bit for other people. I don't like building a rod based on a reel, when the reel may change. I like the idea, but I'm really stuck on the fence when I think that people will probably change reels someday.

True but i dont have any other guides as i said before and this is my first rod

Pat,
It sounds like you're referring to the all-purpose guides. You can use those for concept guides jsut fine only that it elevates the plane of your line flow. On some rod blanks, that actually increases your casting distance! Go ahead and use the concept system with your all-purpose guides. In the Hardloy guides, Fuji sells the all-purpose guides for the concept spacing. No need to fret. Let us know how it turns out!