I
nternet gathering place for custom rod builders
  • Custom Rod Builders - This message board is provided for your use by the sponsors listed on the left side of the page. Feel free to post any question, answers or topics related in any way to custom building. When purchasing products please remember those who sponsor this board.

  • Manufacturers and Vendors - Only board sponsors are permitted and encouraged to promote and advertise products on the board. You may become a sponsor for a nominal fee. It is the sponsor fees that pay for this message board.

  • Rules - Rod building is a decent and rewarding craft. Those who participate in it are assumed to be civilized individuals who are kind and considerate in their dealings with others. Please respond to others in the same fashion in which you would like to be responded to. Registration IS NOW required in order to post. You must include your actual First and Last name and a correct email address when registering or posting. Posts which are inflammatory, insulting, or that fail to include a proper name and email address will be removed and the persons responsible will be barred from further participation.

    Registration is now required in order to post. You must include your actual First and Last name and a correct email address when registering or posting.
SPONSORS

2025 ICRBE
Custom Rod Symbol
Common Cents System
American Grips Piscari
American Tackle
Anglers Rsrc - Fuji
BackCreek Custom Rods
BatsonRainshadowALPS
CRB
Cork4Us
HNL Rod Blanks–CTS
Century Rods
Custom Fly Grips LLC
Decal Connection
EPSON Decal Printers
Flex Coat Co.
Get Bit Outdoors
HFF Custom Rods
HYDRA
Janns Netcraft
Mudhole Custom Tackle
MHX Rod Blanks
North Fork Composites
Palmarius Rods
REC Components
RodBuilders Warehouse
RodHouse France
RodMaker Magazine
Schneiders Rod Shop
SeaGuide Corp.
Stryker Rods & Blanks
TackleZoom
The Rod Room
The FlySpoke Shop
USAmadefactory.com
Utmost Enterprises
VooDoo Rods

High Frame vs Standard Frame Guides
Posted by: Austin Lunsford (163.116.133.---)
Date: September 30, 2024 09:07AM

When would a High frame guide be preferred over a standard guide height?

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: High Frame vs Standard Frame Guides
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: September 30, 2024 09:35AM

When having the line further away from the blank is advantageous. Examples would include the butt guide/s on a spinning rod which will prevent line slap. The stripping guide on a fly rod (minimal improvement).

It is almost always bad to have higher frame guides on most casting and conventional type rods since this increases the level arm effect of the guides and makes the rod want to twist/torque under load (and no, spine orientation cannot prevent this). The lower the guide height the better in most cases, although it means you may have to use a few more guides to prevent line rub under load. On trolling and boat rods, lower frame guides are not necessarily better, however. Because of the reel height and the tendency not to overload the rod with heavy guides, most of these do fine with higher framed guides.

................

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: High Frame vs Standard Frame Guides
Posted by: Patrick Coco (---)
Date: September 30, 2024 10:37AM

I use a reverse high frame guide as the butt guide on my slow pitch jigging rods as the SPJ reels have narrow, tall spools and a high frame guide does the best job of creating a straight line with as small of a guide as possible in lieu of using a much larger standard frame guide.

On a smaller scale, I use the Fuji RV6 guide on my bass and inshore casting rods for the same purpose.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: High Frame vs Standard Frame Guides
Posted by: Les Cline (---)
Date: September 30, 2024 07:19PM

Austin,

Do some study on the Fuji K-R Concept for the line ranges this system covers (basically #4 to #14 pound test mono or fluorocarbon and a variety of braided line sizes up to #30). Braided lines and micro guides (under size #6 ring) changed the game, and is part of the reason Fuji developed the K-R Concept. (The K-R is not a cure-all for all lines and all situations; sometimes an NGC build can be better....)

Key aspects of the K-R are high-frame and small ring guides.
Reduced weight. Reduced line slap. Increased efficiency....within a range of line sizes.

To directly answer your question, IMO, there are a couple of reasons a high frame guide might be preferable to a standard height guide:

1. Stiff lines (mono/fluoro #10 and above) create larger coils when pulled off a spinning rod on a cast (vis-a-vis braided lines). Larger line coils slap the rod blank, resist smoothing out, bunch up at the butt guide, and reduce cast efficiency. Pushing the "Coil Cone" further from the blank with high frame guides reduces friction by reducing line rub/slap/friction. Also, in the past, you could only get the height you wanted to match your reel spool angle with a larger, heavier ring size. Today, you can get the same height with a smaller, lighter ring. Same job....Less weight.
2. Using the right ring size and frame height of butt guide is very important for the rest of a guide train. If standard frame guides can manage line flow through the Reduction Train and to the tip guide group and out the tip top, then no issues at all.

High frame guides are not a cure-all nor fix for every fishing/casting situation. Like everything else, they work where they work. Knowing where that line is is the mastery part of rod-building.

Want to throw #30 mono/fluoro through a K-R, high frame, KL-H 25 butt guide? Try it! I suspect there are better ideas out there. But #30 braided line through a high frame KL-H 25 guide...sweet!

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: High Frame vs Standard Frame Guides
Posted by: Austin Lunsford (---)
Date: October 01, 2024 11:58AM

Thanks for all the information

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: High Frame vs Standard Frame Guides
Posted by: roger wilson (---)
Date: October 03, 2024 10:22AM

Austin,
For spinning rods, I always use a high frame guide for the first guide.

I use a high frame guide to have the guide tall enough to prevent line slap on the casting of a lure or bait.

Irrespective of the size and placement of a standard frame rod, I can not prevent line slap during long casts, because the guide is not tall enough to prevent the line slap.

However, with an appropriate sized high frame guide the guide height precludes line slap during casting.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: High Frame vs Standard Frame Guides
Posted by: Ted Morgan (---)
Date: October 03, 2024 11:18AM

On conventional rods, a higher framed butt guide also gives a bit of clearance that can prevent or minimise line contact with long foregrips.

Options: ReplyQuote


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
Webmaster