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Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: Al purvis (---)
Date: August 18, 2024 11:13AM


Recommended guide spacing for this blank puts a guide right where the male and females ferrules meet (guide would be on the male ferrule as shown in the photo) I figured I would move the spacing up to the female ferrule (again, as you can see on the photo attached) but obviously this moves it closer to the guide preceding it and further away from the next guide down. It appears that all the guides still have a progressive taper and as long as it looks good under a static load would you all roll with what I’m doing? Any other suggestions?

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Re: Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: August 18, 2024 12:12PM

If you can locate a guide ON the ferrule.... you're in luck! The greatest stress along the blank is always going to be exactly between any pair of rides. So a guide on the ferrule reduces stress on the ferrule.

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Re: Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: Lance Schreckenbach (---)
Date: August 18, 2024 01:52PM

Is it a baitcaster or a spinning rod? You using single are double foot guides on this part?

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Re: Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: Norman Miller (Moderator)
Date: August 18, 2024 03:09PM

Yep, put it on the ferrule. Adjust the spacing of the other guides if needed. There is a lot of flexibility in setting up a guide train.
Norm

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Re: Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: Herb Ladenheim (---)
Date: August 18, 2024 03:45PM

HI Al,

What Norman said.

And astatic I do not like the looks of combining the ferrwrap with the guide wrap.
IMO -Looks much better with a space between the two - no matter how small.
Herb
CTS

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Re: Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: August 18, 2024 03:56PM

Some blanks do not require ferrule wraps, such as CTS and a few others. I will typically use a thread the same (or close) in color to the blank for the short, 1/4 to 3/8 inch ferrule wrap and then start the guide wrap in whatever thread color I'm using for the guides, against that.

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Re: Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: Al purvis (---)
Date: August 18, 2024 06:45PM

As always, thanks guys for the insight and wisdom!

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Re: Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: roger wilson (---)
Date: August 21, 2024 09:55AM

Ditto on what Herb suggested. i.e. place a guide a few inches away from the joint and then adjust the spacing of the other guides to accommodate this spacing.

Or, as Norm suggested. place the guide right on the joint and adjust the spacing of the other guides to accommodate the spacing.

Normally in the scope of rod building and rod casting, there is a great deal of latitude in setting up your guide train.

As the sage said many times, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the fish absolutely does not care about the guide spacing on the rod on which he is caught.

Also, on any given rod there are countless ways to build the rod, select the guides and space the guides.

At the end of the day, assemble a combination of pieces that look right, cast right, and catch lots and lots of fish.

This avvocation is called Rod Building. The choices of the build are entirely in the hands of the builder and as another sage once said, "The world is your Oyster" so to speak. Build the rod the way that you want to build it and go fishing. If the rod does not work out for you, strip off the guides and build it differently. Easy to do, and it is entirely under your control.

Also, if you are unsure about a particular setup, go ahead and wrap on the particular guides the way that you want them wrapped on the rod. This would be for testing only. Just use a simple one color wrap and use a nice long wrap and wrap the guides tight. Do not apply any finish. i.e. This wrap is for testing only. Then, take the rod and go fishing for a few days and see how things work out. If things work out,, then, go ahead and cut all of the guides off the rod, and rewrap them the same way with your choice of colors and configuration. But, if not, cut off any guides that need changing or possibly the entire guide train and try something different. This is easy to do, if you do not have any finish on the guide wraps.

Besw wishes.

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Re: Advice on guide spacing
Posted by: Ernie Blum (---)
Date: August 21, 2024 01:07PM

roger wilson Wrote:
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> Ditto on what Herb suggested. i.e. place a guide
> a few inches away from the joint and then adjust
> the spacing of the other guides to accommodate
> this spacing.
>
> Or, as Norm suggested. place the guide right on
> the joint and adjust the spacing of the other
> guides to accommodate the spacing.
>
> Normally in the scope of rod building and rod
> casting, there is a great deal of latitude in
> setting up your guide train.
>
> As the sage said many times, beauty is in the eye
> of the beholder and the fish absolutely does not
> care about the guide spacing on the rod on which
> he is caught.
>
> Also, on any given rod there are countless ways to
> build the rod, select the guides and space the
> guides.
>
> At the end of the day, assemble a combination of
> pieces that look right, cast right, and catch lots
> and lots of fish.
>
> This avvocation is called Rod Building. The
> choices of the build are entirely in the hands of
> the builder and as another sage once
> said, "The world is your Oyster" so to speak.
> Build the rod the way that you want to build it
> and go fishing. If the rod does not work out
> for you, strip off the guides and build it
> differently. Easy to do, and it is entirely under
> your control.
>
> Also, if you are unsure about a particular setup,
> go ahead and wrap on the particular guides the
> way that you want them wrapped on the rod. This
> would be for testing only. Just use a simple one
> color wrap and use a nice long wrap and wrap the
> guides tight. Do not apply any finish. i.e. This
> wrap is for testing only. Then, take the rod and
> go fishing for a few days and see how things work
> out. If things work out,, then, go ahead and cut
> all of the guides off the rod, and rewrap them the
> same way with your choice of colors and
> configuration. But, if not, cut off any guides
> that need changing or possibly the entire guide
> train and try something different. This is easy
> to do, if you do not have any finish on the
> guide wraps.
>
> Besw wishes.

Actually Roger, I think Al posed the question in order to specifically AVOID having to make all those moves that we know are possible. One can trial and error him or herself to death if one so desires. The way I look at it, the only thing better than learning from one's mistakes is learning from someone else's mistakes! Without being able to pose questions like that and getting feedback from folks with likely previous experience related to them, what value would this site have?

I'd like to build an airplane just the way I want it also, but one thing is for sure. When it was done, it surely would never fly.

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