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Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Ernie Blum
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Date: January 01, 2023 03:39PM
I have about forty spools of various colored Gudebrod size A winding thread from days gone by. They have been stored in a plastic bag all these years, and when I went to take a look at them today, I found that ALL of the labels had sloughed off the ends of the spools, with the numbers identifying the colors by name loose in the bag. So of course I have no clue what label corresponds to the correct spool. I know it's not that big of a deal because my eyes can tell what color the thread is, but I'm still wondering if the information may be out there somewhere with the old Gudebrod numbers/colors.
Also...I am assuming that all those spools are threads that needed color preserver for the colors to remain true. All the thread I use these days is NCP, usually ProWrap color fast. Can I mix and match these threads if I use color preserver on them all, color fast or not? Will the color preserver alter the color of the color fast thread? I was hoping to use some of the threads needing color preserver as trim band or inlays. But I don't want to alter the color of the color fast thread with color preserver if that's what will happen. Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Michael Danek
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Date: January 01, 2023 04:15PM
It's easy to do some tests to prove to yourself what will happen. Much better than opiinions from a distance. Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Robert A. Guist
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Date: January 01, 2023 04:18PM
High Ernie.
Here is what I Have, hope it helps. GUDEBROD P/N: Size: Yards: Type Thread QTY. Comments 1 A 100 NYLON 7 BLACK 1 D 100 NYLON 6 BLACK 1 E 100 NYLON 3 BLACK / 3 MISSING SOME 2 A 450 NYLON 5 WHITE 2 A 100 NYLON 2 WHITE 2 D 100 NYLON 6 WHITE / 1 MOSTLY FULL 2 A 950 NCP 1 WHITE NCP 2 D 950 NCP 5 WHITE NCP 2 A 100 NCP 3 WHITE NCP 2 D 100 NCP 3 WHITE NCP 2 D 450 NYLON 1 WHITE 2 E 100 NYLON 2 WHITE 37 A 100 NYLON 1 LT. BLUE 37 D 100 NYLON 6 LIGHT BLUE 50 A 100 NYLON 2 COBALT BLUE 50 D 100 NYLON 6 COBALT BLUE 50 A 100 NCP 1 COBALT BLUE 50 C 450 NCP 1 COBALT BLUE 50 D 100 NCP 1 COBALT BLUE 105 A 100 NYLON 7 SPRING GREEN / 3 PARTIAL 105 D 100 NYLON 1 SPRING GREEN / 1 MOSTLY FULL 105 A 100 NCP 1 SPRING GREEN 200 A 100 NYLON 7 SUNBURST / 1 MOSTLY FULL 200 D 100 NYLON 3 SUNBURST / 1 MOSTLY FULL 206 A 100 NYLON 6 GARNET 1 PARTIAL 206 D 100 NYLON 6 GARNET 206 E 100 NYLON 1 GARNET? 207 E 50 NYLON 2 GOLDENROD? / 1 ALMOST EMPTY 209 A 100 NYLON 3 GOLDENROD / 3 MOSTLY FULL 209 D 100 NYLON 5 GOLDENROD 209 A 950 NCP 1 GOLDENROD 209 D 300 NCP 1 GOLDENROD 221 A 100 NYLON 2 ORANGE 221 D 100 NYLON 2 ORANGE 221 E 50 NYLON 1 ORANGE / ALMOST FULL 245 A 100 NYLON 1 ROYAL BLUE 245 D 100 NYLON 1 ROYAL BLUE 245 E 50 NYLON 1 COBALT BLUE? 246 A 100 NYLON 2 DARK BLUE 246 D 100 NYLON 5 DARK BLUE / 1 NEARLY EMPTY 257 A 100 NYLON 1 RUST GUDEBROD P/N: Size: Yards: Type Thread QTY. Comments 257 D 100 NYLON 1 RUST 272 A 100 NYLON 2 BLUE DUN 272 D 100 NYLON 1 BLUE DUN 290 A 100 NYLON 2 TAN 290 D 100 NYLON 1 TAN 323 E 50 NYLON 1 RUST? 326 A 100 NYLON 4 SCARLET / 3 MOSTLY FULL 326 D 100 NYLON 2 SCARLET / 1 ALMOST FULL 326 E 50 NYLON 2 SCARLET? BOTH PARTIALS 326 E 100 NYLON 1 SCARLET? 335 A 100 NYLON 8 CANDY APPLE / 2 PARTIAL 335 D 100 NYLON 9 CANDY APPLE / 1 PARTIAL 337 A 100 NYLON 2 MAROON 337 D 100 NYLON 1 MAROON 337 A 100 NCP 1 MAROON 337 D 100 NCP 1 MAROON 337 E 50 NYLON 4 MAROON / 1 ALMOST EMPTY 340 A 100 NYLON 3 GOLD 340 D 100 NYLON 5 GOLD 1 MOSTLY FULL 358 E 50 NYLON 4 DARK GREEN / 1 PARTIAL 390 E 50 NYLON 1 LIGHT GREEN? 396 A 100 NYLON 3 DARK BROWN / 1 NEARLY EMPTY 396 D 100 NYLON 2 DARK BROWN / 1 MOSTLY FULL -1 NEARLY EMPTY 396 E 100 NYLON 1 DARK BROWN 411 A 100 NYLON 4 HOT PINK 411 D 100 NYLON 1 HOT PINK / 1 ALMOST FULL 441 A 100 NYLON 2 CHARCOAL 441 D 100 NYLON 1 CHARCOAL 468 A 100 NYLON 4 PURPLE 468 D 100 NYLON 6 PURPLE 468 E 50 NYLON 1 PURPLE 541 A 100 NYLON 2 MEDIUM BROWN 541 D 100 NYLON 1 MEDIUM BROWN 541 E 50 NYLON 4 MEDIUM BROWN? / 1 IN THE MIDDLE 638 A 100 NYLON 9 TEAL / 2 MOSTLY FULL 638 D 100 NYLON 9 TEAL / 1 MOSTLY FULL -1 NEARLY EMPTY 720 A 100 NYLON 2 MEDIUM GRAY 720 D 100 NYLON 1 MEDIUM GRAY 1011 A 100 NYLON 1 GUNMETAL 1011 D 100 NYLON 1 GUNMETAL 1011 A 950 NCP 1 GUNMETAL GUDEBROD P/N: Size: Yards: Type Thread QTY. Comments 1011 C 450 NCP 1 GUNMETAL 1011 D 300 NCP 1 GUNMETAL 5274 A 100 NYLON 2 CHESTNUT 5274 D 100 NYLON 4 CHESTNUT 5896 A 100 NYLON 6 DARK GREEN / 1 PARTIAL 5896 D 100 NYLON 6 DARK GREEN 5896 C 100 TRIMAR 3 GREEN / GOLD -1 ALMOST EMPTY 6778 A 100 NYLON 1 LEMON YELLOW Same As LIGHT YELLOW 6778 A 100 NYLON 2 LIGHT YELLOW Same As LEMON YELLOW 6778 D 100 NYLON 2 LIGHT YELLOW 6778 A 100 NCP 1 LEMON YELLOW 6778 D 100 NCP 1 LEMON YELLOW 6779 D 100 NYLON 1 Green, Medium 6779 A 50 NYLON 1 Green, Medium / Old Foam Spool 6779 A 100 NYLON 2 Green, Medium / Old Foam Spool 9000 A 100 HT 5 GOLD 9001 A 100 HT 5 BLACK 9002 A 100 HT 3 SILVER / 1 ALMOST EMPTY 9003 A 100 HT 7 PEARL / 2 ALMOST EMPTY 9037 A 100 HT 5 ICE BLUE / 1 ALMOST EMPTY 9050 A 100 HT 4 ELECTRIC BLUE / 1 ALMOST FULL 9060 D 350 HT 2 RAINBOW / 1 ALMOST EMPTY 9060 A 100 HT 2 RAINBOW / 1: 1/2 GONE 9060 D 100 HT 3 RAINBOW 9206 A 100 HT 3 FUCHIA / 1 ALMOST FULL 9245 A 100 HT 1 ROYAL BLUE 9245 D 100 HT 1 ROYAL BLUE 9252 A 100 HT 4 AQUAMARINE 9252 D 100 HT 3 AQUAMARINE 9326 A 100 HT 3 RED / 1 ALMOST FULL 9337 A 100 HT 4 DUSTY ROSE / 1 ALMOSTLY FULL 9632 A 100 HT 1 LIGHT GREEN 9632 D 100 HT 1 LIGHT GREEN 330204 D 50 NYLON 5 LIGHT YELLOW(Kinda Like) / Old Foam 330215 D 50 NYLON 1 GOLD (LOOKS LIKE) 330215 E 50 NYLON 4 SAND STONE? 330218 D 50 NYLON 1 TAN (LOOKS LIKE) / ALMOST EMPTY 330220 D 50 NYLON 1 DARK BROWN? ? D 50 NYLON 1 CHESTNUT? ? D 50 NYLON 1 ORANGE? ? E 50 NYLON 2 DARK GREEN / LIGHT GREEN VARIEGATED ? E 50 NYLON 2 MEDIUM GREEN / RED VARIEGATED GUDEBROD P/N: Size: Yards: Type Thread QTY. Comments ? E 50 NYLON 1 RED / GOLD VARIEGATED ? E 50 NYLON 1 BLACK / SILVER ? E 100 NYLON 1 Gold / Red / Green / Orange / Blue VARIEGATED ? E 50 NYLON 1 LOOKS LIKE ALMOND ? E 50 NYLON 3 LOOKS LIKE DARK GRAY? 1G C 100 TRIMAR 6 BLACK / GOLD 1S C 100 TRIMAR 6 BLACK / SILVER - 1 ALMOST EMPTY 245G C 100 TRIMAR 3 BLUE / GOLD 245S C 100 TRIMAR 2 BLUE / SILVER -1 ALMOST EMPTY 2G C 100 TRIMAR 11 WHITE / GOLD 2S C 100 TRIMAR 1 WHITE / SILVER 326G C 100 TRIMAR 3 RED / GOLD -1 ALMOST FULL 326S C 100 TRIMAR 4 RED / SILVER -2 ALMOST EMPTY 541G C 100 TRIMAR 2 BROWN / GOLD col? OO 50 NYLON 1 Gold / Red / Green / Orange / Blue VARIEGATED Tight Wraps & Tighter Lines. Bob, New Bern, NC. Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Mark Talmo
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Date: January 01, 2023 06:01PM
Robert continues to amaze me; he is a living record book! Good job Robert!
I use NCP 98% of the time and do not particularly care for CP, so there are certainly others more qualified to answer Ernie’s question. Even NCP changes color to some degree after the application of finish; I do not know whether or not CP would change the color of NCP. Michael offers sound advice = trust personal tests. Mark Talmo FISHING IS NOT AN ESCAPE FROM LIFE BUT RATHER A DEEPER IMMERSION INTO IT!!! BUILDING YOUR OWN SIMPLY ENHANCES THE EXPERIENCE. Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Norman Miller
(Moderator)
Date: January 01, 2023 06:18PM
I only use NCP thread for trim wraps, I don’t like the looks of it as a main wrap. NCP thread just seems flat with no character or sparkle. I like the sparkle of regular thread and the way it darkens and becomes translucent when you apply epoxy. I also very rarely use color preserver, but that’s just my preference. For the same thread color option you get three different looks, NCP thread, regular thread with using color preserver, and regular thread not using color preserver.
Norm Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
roger wilson
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Date: January 01, 2023 09:25PM
Ditto on Norman's comment.
I will only use NCP thread if requested by a client. I very much prefer the semi translucent look that one gets by using nylon thread with no NCP and or no CP. Take care Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Phil Erickson
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Date: January 01, 2023 09:55PM
None my fly rod buyers want the NCP look! I think that is because they also shy away from any look of bling. They much prefer the more organic look attained with nylon (no CP) then epoxy. They all say the colors really pop in sunlight. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2023 01:26PM by Phil Erickson. Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Ernie Blum
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Date: January 01, 2023 11:36PM
Bob...thank you for that list. I will have a look tomorrow.
Norm...About that translucent look with the use of regular thread and epoxy......I agree 100% that it looks great...at first. I built fly rods many years ago that I fished for tarpon with in the Keys, and after several seasons using some of the thread in question here (regular thread without using CP...just epoxy), the long hours on the bow of the boat in the intense sunlight resulted in the top sides of the wraps eventually cooking and fading (bleaching) pretty significantly. The undersides remained essentially unaffected, as they were protected from the sun. Although the rods performed beautifully, I was pretty unhappy with the look over time. Would the use of CP not have prevented that fade? Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Norman Miller
(Moderator)
Date: January 02, 2023 12:19PM
The sun is cruel, it fades and ages many things, including thread wraps. I’m not sure if NCP thread is immune to UV light, however the additives used to make NCP thread may help with UV resistance. I don’t think color preserver prevents fading. Thread dyes are all different chemical compounds, and some are more prone to fading then others. In other words, all colors don’t fade equally.
Norm Re: Old Gudebrod winding thread.
Posted by:
Lynn Behler
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Date: January 02, 2023 06:36PM
Norm X-2 Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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