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craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Phil Ewanicki (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 13, 2022 11:32AM

A top-shelf eight-weight fly rod which weighs 2.75 ounces is retailing for $1050.00 - that's $382 an ounce! The wholesale value of the materials in this rod is unlikely to exceed $150. Perhaps custom rod builders should re-examine their product pricing?

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: June 13, 2022 11:38AM

Many rod manufacturers spend tens of thousands of dollars per year creating and maintaining an image. They are selling more than just rods.

Custom rod builders, unless they are very well known, are rarely able to command such prices. They offer good rods, even better than most commercial makes do, but they can't offer the same image or prestige that many consumers want and are willing to pay for.

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Mark Brassett (---)
Date: June 13, 2022 01:11PM

Its the word "image" that scares me.

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Bill Hickey (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: June 13, 2022 01:14PM

Lets not forget the R & D that goes on behind the scenes prior to the release of a series. The actual cost of that blank may be down to X once it is all ready to go, but XXX was spent to get to that point.

I have a buddy of mine that just dropped a fair amount of coin on buying his own rolling equipment, mandrels and prepeg. Its a very significant investment, we all know what he needs to do to recover that cost and keep a float. He is rolling my own series of S2 Glass blanks, it took a bit to get to the tapers I wanted, sure, we are both new at this, but it was not an overnight process, good amount of money went into my blanks, and I'm a small time guy, cannot imagine how much say someone like Sage or Winston will spend on getting a new series ready to hit the rod racks.

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Phil Erickson (---)
Date: June 13, 2022 03:03PM

If spending $1050.00 makes a person happy and satisfies his/her objectives, it's a good transaction! To a conservative spender, it's not understood.

Price point variations exist in most products. The entire cost of a product is not just the material used to make it.

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Lance Schreckenbach (---.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net)
Date: June 13, 2022 03:42PM

The worth of a product is whatever someone is willing to pay for it, no matter how much it cost to produce it. I think you made a mistake on the weight of the 8wt fly rod unless it has been severely cut down in length. I would probably pay $1000+ for a 9' 8wt that light. 3.75oz is very light for something like that because a light one like a NRX is 4.1 oz. 2.75 oz is extreme.

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: June 13, 2022 04:39PM

I knew who posted this before I even saw his name. Saw it coming.

The 2.75 oz rod is made with unobtanium. Pretty expensive stuff. If you can obtain it. Which I doubt.

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Phil Ewanicki (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 13, 2022 08:55PM

An on-line advertisement for a 9 foot 8 weight G .Loomis Asquith fly rod lists its weight as 2.75 ounces. You can look it up. Overexposure to unobtanium has been known to produce doubt and sarcasm.

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: June 14, 2022 06:27AM

I'd like to see its CCS numbers.

I cannot even find its claimed weight on the Loomis site.



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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Phil Ewanicki (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 14, 2022 12:12PM

Now I can't find the 2.75 oz. advertised weight for the 9 ft. eight weight Asquith rod, but I assure you such a number was recently displayed on line - whether by mistake or by design. Advertisers and their clients continue to assure suckers they can buy competence and/or success in everything from fly casting to social acceptance. I have even seen ads suggesting one fly rod produces superior accuracy!

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: June 14, 2022 05:17PM

And as you mentioned a while back, there is the "soulful" ad for a fly rod. I still think fly rod ads and wine labels are authored by the same people. Good thing we have good @#$%& detectors, right?

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: ben belote (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: June 15, 2022 09:57AM

Phil, maybe it,s a shorter fly rod. Shorter rods are more accurate just by their nature. Longer rods less accurate especially for short cast except flipping. When fishing hair bugs at cover along the shoreline or pad edges, I liked a rod eight feet or less. Also a shorter rod gives you more leverage.You need enough leverage to get a nice fish to run to deep water and not back into the cover. I should mention that I fished from a kickboat so that as soon as hooking a fish I could start kicking and pulling her from cover. All I had to do was hang on and kick.And I love Turtle Fins for kicking power.



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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Phil Ewanicki (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 16, 2022 12:49PM

Just so, Ben. We give up something to get something. Fair enough. But I'm sick of hucksters telling me I can get something for nothing, whether they be fishing-rod advertisers or politicians. Anglers can get longer casts or more accurate casts - but not both with the same rod.



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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: ben belote (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: June 16, 2022 01:13PM

That,s been a problem since the snake got eve to bite the apple. I doubt it will ever change. Each of us will have to learn in our own way..I try to not let them pull my strings. My favorite fly is the moose hair bug on a 71/2 foot rod. Just deadly, Moose hair is great for big bugs, lots of floatation to hold up big hooks.



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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: Phil Ewanicki (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 19, 2022 11:46AM

Does the length and the rigidity of moose guard hair cause misses when you try to set the hook?

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Re: craftsmen versus advertisers
Posted by: ben belote (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: June 22, 2022 09:32AM

None that I can see except that the bug may be too large for smaller fish to take well..

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