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Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: jeffrey hall (---)
Date: December 12, 2021 07:01PM

New rod builder. I have built about 10 fly rods. I note that in a fly rod I would like to build, the guide size calls for 1/0t and 1t. I am unsure what the 't' stands for? Any help appreciated,

JTH

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: December 12, 2021 08:13PM

I'm surprised that after 10 you have questions about guide size.

But given that, what are you building, that you need help on? The more info you give us, the more good help you'll get.

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Herb Ladenheim (---.68.237.4.hwccustomers.com)
Date: December 12, 2021 08:19PM

Jeff
The only thing I can think of it "Titanium".
We'd have to see the context in which it was used.
Herb

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: jeffrey hall (---)
Date: December 12, 2021 08:23PM

Thanks. Just in the guide size/spacing nomenclature, the rod calls for the first 4 guides (near the tip top) as 1/0t, followed by 2 1t guides, followed by a size 1 guide.
Thanks for looking,

JTH

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: December 12, 2021 09:18PM

Thin wire guides used on the lower powered rods, saves weight.

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Herb Ladenheim (---.68.237.4.hwccustomers.com)
Date: December 12, 2021 10:36PM

Spencer,
You're probably correct.
Herb

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Mike Juliana (---.bvtn.or.ptr.ziplyfiber.com)
Date: December 12, 2021 10:44PM

Spencer Phipps Wrote:
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> Thin wire guides used on the lower powered rods,
> saves weight.

Beat me to it. From Sage's rod building pages: "The "t" at the end of a guide size stands for thin wire or light wire guide - examples: 1/0t or 1t"

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: jeffrey hall (---)
Date: December 13, 2021 09:42AM

Thanks for finding this. I appreciate it,

JTH

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: ben belote (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 13, 2021 11:24AM

aren,t the thin wire just for the tip section to keep weight down..maybe one or two grains per guide, seems silly..

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: December 13, 2021 08:13PM

30 years ago, or so Hopkins & Halloway was the only thin wire guides I was aware of, Sage used them, later others started making them. Snake Brand makes them now, Pac Bay also I think. As far as weight goes it wouldn't be a big thing if you didn't wave the rod around, the acceleration and deceleration increases the effect guide weight has on the blank. Since a blank has only so much intrinsic power, you can use it casting the line, or the line and a heavier guide set. I pick the former, especially as rod power drops, I was real picky about the guide set on my 1 wt. Dan Craft.

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: ben belote (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: December 14, 2021 08:52AM

the thing affecting rod guide weight that i find from just reading this sight is amount of epoxy used on the guide wraps..it,s nothing to see buildes applying two,thre even four coats..and they always start with a saturation coat thinking this will keep the guides from falling off.. it,s overkill the guides are held on just as well with one coats of cp to seal the wrap and one coat of epoxy which is so much lighter than thin wire guides with saturated epoxy wraps..

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Phil Ewanicki (97.104.222.---)
Date: December 16, 2021 11:25AM

Horse power is real, but not rod power. Engines generate energy but rods are not engines. A rod can't push a fishing line; the caster pulls it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/16/2021 06:24PM by Phil Ewanicki.

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: ben belote (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: December 17, 2021 10:30AM

Horses--t is real too Phil..but so what..

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: December 17, 2021 11:07PM

Phil Ewanicki Wrote:
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> Horse power is real, but not rod power. Engines
> generate energy but rods are not engines. A rod
> can't push a fishing line; the caster pulls it.

Rod Power is real insofar as the definition of that term in rod building vernacular. It relates to power and/or stiffness.

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Robert A. Guist (---.res6.spectrum.com)
Date: December 18, 2021 10:26AM

Hey Phil.

Look up the word "power" in the "glossary" at the top of the page.


Have a good weekend.


Tight Wraps & Tighter Lines.

Bob,

New Bern, NC.

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Danny Wood (---.46.234.77.ptr.avast.com)
Date: July 20, 2022 09:09PM

The "T" means a lightweight wire guide. A couple of companies offer snakes in different wire diameters.

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Re: Guide size nomenclature
Posted by: Phil Erickson (---)
Date: July 20, 2022 10:29PM

Batson also offers light wire single foot guides for fly rods, use them all the time.

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