Hi.
I'm trying to find a particular set of rod guides and was wondering if anyone could help.

I'm looking for a set of guides that will be impact resistant. Often AC or SIC guides are embedded in a steel frame, when the steel frame is bumped it transfers the impact to the much harder (and more brittle) AC/SIC resulting in the rings cracking.
I have an older fishing rod that has AC guides seated in a plastic which is then seated in the steel frame. These things are indestructible. I have bashed and bent the steel frames multiple times and the rings have never cracked. The plastic allows for some bending and guide just keeps on working.

Anyone know of such guides for sale?

What's it for? I'm building a 12 foot overhead 6wrap fiberglass rod that will be used for rock fishing.
Why does it get beaten up? I walk about 2k through rough terrain and dense trees to fish off bouldery cliffs in big seas.

Thanks.

I have been fishing for over 75 years, and while the guides when I started didn't have rings, they have for a long time. I have never cracked a ring. I have built and used many rods with Alconite, Zirconium, SIC, and probably many other ring materialsI have never cracked a ring.

If you are cracking rings, I thnk you may not be taking good enough care of your rods. Quit bashing and bending.

Sorry for being so direct, but if you want to have the top performance for your rods, you have to take reasonable precautions against abusing them. If this is not an option, then use guides without ceramic rings-there are a number of offerings without ceramic rings, using stainless steel rings in stainless steel frames which are probably more resistant to bashing and bending.

You walk two thousand miles through rough terrain and dense trees to fish off treacherous cliff's in big seas ?

As much as I love fishing I myself would most likely opt for a different fishing spot but hey everyone's different .

How about transporting the rod in a tube until you reach that location or just use non ceramic guide rings . You can also consider leaving the blank at that location and just transport the reel back and forth since it takes a lot of abuse anyway.

I think 2 K means 2 kilometers.

2 Kilometers

I know that guys , sarcasm never works on the net .

I replace guides with cracked, chipped and missing inserts all the time. I don't think you have any other choices except inserts or plain rings. I think the recessed ring type is a bit more capable of withstanding damage. The only bulletproof guide I know of is the stainless frame boat guides with carbide rings.....like the Alps CWB.

It's all in the punctuation.

Pac Bay DP with chrome ring

I know what you are talking about. I don't think it is your only, or best option. A lot would depend on if you are using braid or mono. Anyhow see if Fuji BNHG Rod Guides are what you are looking for. The BPHT is the matching tip.

Russ in Hollywood, FL.

Fuji used to sell guides like that, I guess you can look on @#$%& and see if they can be bought there. I'm not sure the models
Another option is to look into wire guides with no insert

THere is nothign better than when someone who actually does something, is told by people clueless - how they should be doing it. I think when he wants to hear your opinions for how he fishes, he'll ask. Internetting at it's finest here

American Tackle CER guides are thr only thing I can think of right now.

Pac Bay minima guides have a stainless steel ring also Mudhole has a stainless steel ring guide that will never crack or chip.

Unless used by that mysterious entity that is always the exception to all things,

Sarcasm.

Have fun

The guides you are talking about are antiques. Modern ring materials are much harder yet not nearly so brittle as the first porcelin and AO rings used inside of those plastic shock rings, which by the way, were/are terribly heavy.

If you're commonly breaking modern ceramic guides you're very hard on your equipment. They're not that fragile.

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It sounds like the guy already has used the older guides succesfully for a very long time, and he has used the newer guides for a very short time and they hold up.

Adam - I have got some of the old Fuji BNHG guides with the green shock rings you can have for nothing if they meet your needs. I’m also in Oz (Melbourne) so I can post them to you without too much trouble. They come off a Snyderglass FSU5120 and a Butterworth SU5138 so they are rather old. I’ll check out the sizes if you want.

The very best ceramic on the market is Si3N4 or silicon nitride. It has the best fracture resistance on the market, period. Silicon nitride was developed for ball bearings in jet engines, it has some elasticity to the ceramic which makes it extremely durable. Most guides break by deforming or hitting the frame on something. Normal ceramics are fairly brittle. Silicon nitride is not quite as hard as SIC, but it is much more durable because of its flexibility. Not only is it extremely durable, but it is also a little lighter than SIC by the way of testing specific gravity. One last note is that in that up to about the size 20 ring RS our version of silicon nitride weighs less than the steel rings.

Rick Hall
Global Sales Manager
SeaGuide Corporation
406-750-2122
www.sea-guide.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2021 10:13AM by Rick Hall.

Even though it has been used for a long time in guides it is only recently that the industry has gone nuts over it, doesn't make much sense.

I believe that silicon nitride rings were originally intended for use with wire lines. The other benefits that Rick mentions may be something the industry is embracing these days.

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Guides with no insert and you will find it impossible an insert that is not there.

Pac Bay minima and Recoil guides fit the bill and many many folks employ them for 0 cracking but long wearing.