Thanks Jim.
Off you go. Actually, no you can't, I like discussions like this with you.

I'm buggering around with a rod for myself at the moment: 14'6 5-7oz, 60T carbon 3 piece blank. Propper casting machine.

Right now its taped up with LC20 LC16 KW12 (x9) set up, all in Ti SiC (yes I know I can go smaller, but how do turn down a gift of 9x KW12's in Ti Sic and let them sit un-used in a cupboard?
Ultimately I'd like to upgrade to RV25 RV16 KW12M to the KW12's, but $$$, it will have to wait.

As it is currently set up I have managed about 220 yards with a 4.25oz sinker (no bait) with an Ultegra 14k spool with 30lb braid and 65lb braid leader
Same set up with a small multipler is ridiculously fun.

I think distances like that must have something to do with the equator, Brandon. There must be less gravity on the south side of it.

We are upsidedown like the Aussies. so really sinkers fall that far as a matter of course

A cast one eighth of a mile long is not to be sneezed at!

Mind-boggling.

My Point Blanks cast a "mile."

Phil will love that, Mick.

Got it dialed in guys thanks so much for the help

chris c nash Wrote:
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> If the 27 X method showed an 80 inch choker
> position then that reel spool lip diameter is as
> large as the one I use for surf fishing which is
> a little over 75 mm . As far as moving in the
> choke from 80" to 70 inches , I have done that
> numerous times in the past BUT not with heavier
> braid it just doesn't work well at all , with
> lighter braid it works incredibly well but not
> with 50-65 pound braid it doesn't .
>
> One of the biggest things that kills the
> efficiency of rod/reel setups in particularly with
> spinners and using braid is having too much room
> inside the ring . People have a real hard time
> figuring this out because in the overwhelming
> majority of cases they go too big with the
> reduction guide train especially the stripper .
> It takes a long long time and extensive first hand
> experience to get to the point of knowing the
> characteristics of all the various types of braid
> and how they will perform when paired with popular
> guide types and sizes.
>
> For example I just built two CTS 10'6" surf rods,
> one is setup with a RV25 , RV16, KW10M to a KB 5
> and KT 5's on out and that's my heavy surf setup.
> It casts amazing an absolute rocket launcher .
> The other is my lighter duty surf rod and it's
> rated up to 3 ounces , I use a KL25H , KL10H -
> 5.5M to a KB 5 and KT 5 runners and it's also an
> 'Out of this world' performer .The thing to avoid
> at all costs is a gradual reduction in guide
> sizes.
>
> Gradual reduction guide trains are purposely meant
> and work best with mono not braid , with braid
> you want each succeeding guide to have a major
> impact on line angles and gradual reduction trains
> don't allow that . The problem with gradual
> reduction guide trains like 30-25-20-12-8s is
> each guide has so little of an impact on line
> angle . With braid that's a huge no no . You
> need each guide to drastically change line angle
> for top notch performance with braid and guide
> trains along the lines of say 30 , 20 ,10 etc...
> or 20,10,5 are ideal, stay far away from
> 30,25.20,16,12,10 etc.. or any other similar
> layouts , those are poor layouts if you choose to
> use braided line .
>
> A 25 high framed ring set in the vicinity of 40
> inches from the spool face would be ideal and
> handle 65 pound braid beautifully and it won't
> kill the rods efficiency. A high framed 30 size
> ring is too large but it is one of the very few
> choices you have that will work well enough with
> the reel and line you plan to use . A 30 isn't as
> ideal as a 25 size ring but it works for your
> particular situation . A 40 is just ridiculous
> and shouldn't even be considered . You can place a
> high framed 30 in the 35 inch range to start doing
> some test casting .
>
> All I build is surf rods and I have 5 subject
> notebooks packed with nothing but the results of
> casting different braids, diameters , guide types
> and guide positioning's . I'm extremely
> particular and critical of surf rod performance
> and will not settle for anything other than the
> very best performance and efficiency .
>
> Having said all that , all I can do is tell you
> what I would do and that's what I have provided to
> you it's just my personal opinion from my personal
> experiences . Hope it turns out well for you and
> your friend.
>
> On another note, what in God's name is your
> friend fishing for that he needs 65 pound braid ,
> that will winch a Volkswagen off the ocean floor .

Wow, I've just started building surf rods and I have learned more from this thread than any other place on the 'net. I fish casting rods and my one track mind on guide trains has been severely jolted about braid differences vs mono with spinning outfits. Again, this site is the bomb. I want to succeed in surf rod building (and selling, of course) and my main competition in the area sells surf rods (and they are not too cheap) that can you can use a spinning reel or casting reel. Yea, that had me thinking something was amiss. This thread clearly explains why no two rod and reel combinations for just a spinning reel, let alone a combo rod can be alike. And you surely shouldn't even consider making a rod for both casting and spinning, which I never have anyways. I knew using the NGC method for spinning reels was a game changer but this takes it to a whole new level of squeezing all you can out of your casing distance. Thanks for all the info Chris, I will save this thread.

Fred Zimmermann Wrote:
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> ...that can you can use a spinning reel or casting reel.
> Yea, that had me thinking something was amiss.

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Funnily enough, a well set up spinning rod with a layout along the lines of what Chris mentioned, will cast beautifully with a multiplier.

Brandon McQueen Wrote:
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> Fred Zimmermann Wrote:
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>
> > ...that can you can use a spinning reel or
> casting reel.
> > Yea, that had me thinking something was amiss.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> Funnily enough, a well set up spinning rod with a
> layout along the lines of what Chris mentioned,
> will cast beautifully with a multiplier.

So, am I wrong thinking like that? I just assumed but sometimes that is a fault of mine.

Well, it will depend on how the spinner is set up.
Lets say I used RV25 RV16 KW10M and then 6 (or even 7) running guides (KT's KW's LKW's) on a 10' 1-4oz and set it up for a Saragosa 6000 and 30lb braid, you would be hard pressed to get it to perform better with a more main-stream set up for a conventional reel



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2021 11:47AM by Brandon McQueen.

If you built the spinner with say 6 guides.... not it would not be so nice with a convench

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