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Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: David Janes (---)
Date: February 12, 2021 03:03PM

I know I’ve seen this talked about before but could not find it. Is there any reason I should not use colorfast thread with nylon thread in the same wrap? II want to use color fast white with regular nylon grey. One thing I’ve noticed with the two being same manufacturer and thread size is that the color fast white seems a bit larger in diameter then the grey. Is that just me or is that normal? Thanks

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Re: Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: February 12, 2021 03:51PM

I don't know about the size difference. What will happen is that the gray will change color significantly, and the way to see approximately what will happen is to do a test wrap. Wrap the two together as you plan and wet the wrap with alcohol. Not exact, but close.

If the blank is dark the white can be a challenge in that it has to be well packed to prevent blotches of the blank showing through. Some paint the blank white to eliminate this.

Others more expert than I will most likely chime in. I only use white for single thread accents.

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Re: Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: February 12, 2021 04:59PM

NCP is ever so slightly larger in the same size designation as regular nylon.

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Re: Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: Bill Hickey (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: February 12, 2021 06:29PM

I use NCP with Regular Nylon, the NCP is used a trim band or an inlaid wrap, like in the middle of a ferrule wrap. Like one of the other gents mentioned, best to do a test wrap. Do it on the section of the blank that will be covered by the grip if you don't have scrap sections of blanks.

It is slightly "larger" in diameter, but not enough to cause a hump in your finish.

The two opposing threads can class up a wrap, the Nylon will get a translucent/luster look to it, while the NCP will have a duller, but pronounced look. I am in the middle of finishing a Black S2 Glass build, I used Pro Wrap 525 Green Nylon with Pro Wrap 713 Sunrise NCP for the inlaid trim, just 2 turns in the middle of the ferrule wrap. The Sunrise matches up with the Juniper wood insert for the reel seat.

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Re: Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: Mark Talmo (---)
Date: February 12, 2021 09:13PM

David,
As said, there is no reason to or not to combine regular with NCP thread. While Bill employs the benefit for simple inlay threads, the real masters of involved cross wraps often use both for desired effects. Personally, I use NCP 95% of the time because I do not care for Color Preserver (CP) but that may be just me. I will be the third vote for testing! One never knows until trying.

Mark Talmo
FISHING IS NOT AN ESCAPE FROM LIFE BUT RATHER A DEEPER IMMERSION INTO IT!!!

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Re: Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: David Janes (---)
Date: February 13, 2021 12:19PM

Thanks guys. I've only used NCP with my builds because I tend to like how the thread looks. I'll see what happens.

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Re: Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: roger wilson (---)
Date: February 13, 2021 12:24PM

David,
In times past I have used NCP thread a few times.
However, I very much dislike the appearance of the NCP thread - finished -- with or without color preserver.

I do - very much - like the appearance of standard nylon thread with no CP being used. The thread becomes more translucent and seems to almost melt into the blank itself.

I simply like understated colors on rods and not colors that seem to "get in your face" by being so bright - that is the case with either NCP thread, or nylon thread that has been treated with color preserver.

But, that is what is nice about rod building. One person can build one way, and another person can build another way - and both ways can both be great and spectacular in appearance.

Best wishes

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Re: Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: Bill Sidney (---.gci.net)
Date: February 13, 2021 12:46PM

what Roger said is so true ,every one will do as they like , "" ALL WILL CATCH FISH I HAVE BEEN TOLD "" my luck is not the best , but will still will be working at it I assure you of that one ,

William Sidney
AK

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Re: Nylon and color fast used together
Posted by: Richard Bowers (---.ptld.qwest.net)
Date: February 22, 2021 04:09PM

As has been stated in several posts, there is no reason not to combine untreated and treated thread. The over-riding issue is what you are trying to achieve. I recently completed a tiger wrap in NCP White, NCP Neon Orange, untreated Neon orange, and NCP Black. My intention was for the orange to "fade" into the darker color, and the effect was perfect! While not the colors I would want on a personal rod, the specific request was for an Oregon State Beaver themed rod, and they love the results.

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