maybe your just curving the line, not the lures direction..if the lure changes, it can only go downward..

ben belote Wrote:
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> maybe your just curving the line, not the lures
> direction..if the lure changes, it can only go
> downward..

to add..i,ve made side arm casts where by whipping the line to the opposite side in flight, i can make a slight change in direction but really not much..this effect is easier to do with a fly line..

But this is all caster input, not spine effect. Once the cast is made, the rod isn't going be twisting, curving, etc. And... a twist is not taking the rod out of a straight casting plane to begin with.


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ben, the lure actually curves while in the air. How much it will curve in the air depends on the length of the cast, and the bait being cast. For me, buzzbaits and hollow bodied frogs are the easiest to curve. Curving a cast 5 or 6 inches isn't hard at all.

And Tom, you're absolutely right. The spine of a blank won't affect how the rod casts.

My biggest takaway from this post, is someone wasted an awful lot of time and money on this craft to be so closed minded. But in over 50 years of doing this, I must say that I have encounters a lot of strange and different scenario regarding rod building

Ron Weber

Ron, i don,t think he ever built a fishing rod..it,s just a kid or an adult with a kids mind having fun on his computer..Dave, all casts have a natural curve or arc as they go through the air but still follow the direction the guide tip put them on..in mid flight you may influence the arc by swinging the line to one side but that is actually making another cast because your moving the guide tip in another direction to make it..it,s a cast within a cast..the point is a lure goes in the direction of the rod tip movement..any additional separate tip movement changes the question..

Dave
I agree with you about moving the lure one way other the other, and also with tom's last comment.


But mostly when doing so, it is to curve the line while allowing the bait to remain on course.
I fish around a lot of Cyprus trees with wide hanging lower branches, that many times prevent being able to cast straight past a tree, to reel a crank bait, buzz bait spinner bait back close to the trunk.

In such cases I will cast directly over the tree , then sweep the rod's tip around in a complete half circle left or right depending on cast. (like if you were skipping a rope sideways.)
This allows the line to clear the branches so that I can continue that circle up under the branches with the rod's tip down low aiming at base of the trunk, engaging the reel, the line pulling tight
provides a straight path from the bait on opposite of tree past trunk back to tip, hopefully with a bass attached.

with plastic baits ill just flip or skip the bait in there

Ben, my initial response on this particular subject was a response to Phil Ewanicki's post stating ... "The moment the line is released during the cast the rod and the angler can only change the forward progress of the line in one direction - down - " You reiterated that train of thought. I merely stated, and Mr Gardener agrees, that that train of thought is incorrect. Anyhow .....

Slightly off topic, but Dale Clemens (a religious spiner of blanks and seller of spine finders, yours for a mere $75 in 1999 ) also said that a stress distribution test (static load test) be carried out on a spinning rod with the guides and reel on top. Force being applied by the line from the reel. Moving the guides as needed to keep the line from touching the blank. Nobody does that anymore either. Try it sometime and you'll see why. Not sure what the purpose was in the first place! Slightly off topic but another example of antiquated thinking.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2020 03:39PM by Lynn Behler.

so, i guess the law of inertia is incorrect also..we can trash the constitution but i don,t think mother nature is going to let us trash this one..lol.

Lynn, you are exactly right !!! He does call for a stress test with the guides up regardless of what kind of rod it is. Also, if I remember correctly his procedure called for using one line to both load the blank and pass through the guides. Certainly not the easiest and most efficient way of doing it.

And Steve, I hope I didn't speak out of turn by saying you agree. I must have been typing my prior reply at the same time you were typing yours. I curve casts to get the bait behind objects that I couldn't get it behind them otherwise. It works great for getting a buzzbait or a frog behind bushes and standing timber that you'd otherwise cast over top of or from a different angle. And as I am sure you have experienced, there are times that you aren't going to get bit unless the bait is coming from the angle.

And Ben, I am not denying the laws of inertia. If the lure being cast was unencumbered, I would have the same thoughts as you. But the lure has a line attached to it. A line that is causing drag on the lure and a line that an angler can manipulate via rod movement.

Ya know, I used to think that skipping a skirted jig 6' back under a dock or low hanging tree using a casting rod, was impossible. That is until I saw it done, and learned to do it myself.

Agreed David..

David

you did not speak out of turn
I totally agree with what you are saying and cast the same as you when working around cover and docks
Those abilities have put many extra bass and dollars in my pockets at tournament's.
Had a tournament partner couple years ago say " The reason your getting bites no one else is getting, is because your putting baits further back into stuff then anyone else then any one is getting to".

Once you release the line attached to the lure or weight, whether you are casting overhead or sidearm, the object you are casting will continue to travel in a straight line in the exact same direction the tip-top was going when you released the line. The weight does not remember the curved path it was taking and the line does not push or pull the weight in a curve.
Of course if you PULL your rod and line to the side the forward motion of the object being cast will stop and you can jerk your lure or weight backwards and/or sidewards, as dictated by the direction of your tip-top. You can pull a rope (or a fish line) but pulling a fishing line is not casting - quite the contrary. The spine of a rod does not push the line around either.
If you cast a fly line you can easily throw a curved cast because you are casting the line, not the fly.

thanks Phil..i kinda suspected that..lol.

'Hubris' oh my Mark! I had to look that puppy up. You learn something all the time on this forum. :-)

You still don't get the simplest thing in the World
Like to put nonsense in my mouth which I didn't say
And talk tripe in general
It is a simple and basic observation that an unspined rod twisted HORRIBLY under load
Maybe you like to put rubbish in the minds of the customers you blag and fool, but you are certainly not going to do it to me!

Dufford,

You're simply very, very wrong - any rod with the guides on top, regardless of spine orientation, will twist under load. And any rod with the guides along the bottom, regardless of spine orientation, will not twist under load.

This is a matter of simple physics. Please do some reading on lever arms.

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Literally thousands of years of experience by people on here, and someone new to the craft says we all do not know what we are doing . I guess we should all refer customers to him, as he is the only one who knows and has the correct knowledge to make a perfect build, because he paid a lot to learn it. LOL. In all reality I think we have been infiltrated by a troll who is just trying to stir things up. If you are so good, why not divulge your company and your rods so that we can see and intrepret just what we are doing incorrectly

Ron Weber

Note to self: next time making a promotional post on rbo, mention spine. Seems likely to generate some interest.
DB

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