ben belote Wrote:
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> Quinn, that,s really the only way to learn..good
> for you!


just to add. use two or three coats of CP..if and when you cut the guides off the blank cleans up with isoprople like new..

David,
You are really exaggerating when you speak of difficulty in putting rods away with #6 running guides.

Folks have fished with years and years and years with running guides as large a size 10 tall guides and put their rods away just fine. A little more care, but no big deal.

Sure, in the last few years, rods have been built with #2 or #3, or #4 running guides and they work fine for some setups. But there are millions of fishing rods in the world with #6 tall running guides that catch fish every day that they are used and the rods balance perfectly.

So, to be sure - different in today's world of small and short running guides, but not wrong and they will still make an excellent, and perhaps superior rod for the particular use.

Best wishes.

Roger, it is obvious you are not familiar with the KL6M, it is not your normal size 6 runner. It has a very tall frame and is used as a reduction train guide in KR builds. It was not designed to be a running guide. It will really look funky, and, in addition, there will be a very sharp angle entering the ring of the tip top, unless you use an extra high framed tip top or a large ringed tip top. Not a good idea, but it is Quinn’s rod and he can do with it as he wishes. Working just fine vs working optimally are two different things. I’m sure it will work, and if he keeps it with 6M runners he will never know the benefits of a properly built KR concept rod. Back in the 70s I started building some match rods, which used high framed small ringed guides throughout, including the runners (but not as high as the 6M) with a high frame tip top. They worked but not as well as using traditional low frame runners. I’ve done the experiment, and the KR concept is superior, but that’s my opinion based on my experiences.
Norm
PS - The KL6M is higher thatn both v guides and Y guides of the same ring size.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2020 11:30AM by Norman Miller.

i just looked at the 6M guide on Mud Hole..Norm is correct..they are over 18mm..not runners for sure..i thought they were only 9 or 10 mm..yea, i wouldn,t use these for runners..

Roger, if you had taken the time to look up the height of a KL-H 6M, you wouldn't be saying I am exaggerating. As Norman mentioned, the KL-H guides are reduction train guides, not running guides. A KL-H 6M guide is 18.4 mm tall. A KT 6 is 8.2 inches tall. If you're trying to tell me that putting a rod with running guides the height of a KL-H 6M in a rod tube that may be deep down in a rod locker, is an easy task, well ....... I doubt you've ever tried it. I've bent some of the running guides on rods that I have built and none of them have running guides larger than a #5. So no, I am not exaggerating at all.

And I completely disagree with your statement that using a KL-H 6M as a running guide wouldn't be "wrong." In fact it would be very wrong. It's a reduction train guide, not a running guide.

I have some lower line spinning rods that have the cone of flight guide sets, that have trains like 25,20,16, 12,8,8 tip top. Many older rods have weird/big guide sets that have worked for years. While the Fuji KR concept train is nice not every rod needs to follow this.