Question, is it recommended to wrap a couple times around the end of a micro guide, saw it on Flex Coat video, thanks.

Keith Langford

After 62 years of rod building I am going to build-out a blank with micro guides. How small does the inside diameter of a micro-guide have to be before it reduces casting distance or accuracy? Does micro-guide performance have anything to do with the diameter or the type of line used? I have been unable to find any clear statements about this issue.

Some people do a locking wrap on micro guides some don’t. I always do a locking wrap as added insurance, but basically your choice.
I use the Fuji speed thread for running line through my micro guides, this tool will thread guides as small as a size 4, so for me a size 4 micro guide is as small as I go. In addition, a size 4 will easily pass an FG leader to braid knot using up to 30 lb fluorocarbon leader.
Here is a link for the Fuji speed threader done by Jim Ising a few years ago when it first came out. Great tool and a must for those using micro guides.
[m.youtube.com]
Norm

Norman Miller Wrote:
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> Some people do a locking wrap on micro guides some
> don’t. I always do a locking wrap as added
> insurance, but basically your choice.
> I use the Fuji speed thread for running line
> through my micro guides, this tool will thread
> guides as small as a size 4, so for me a size 4
> micro guide is as small as I go. In addition, a
> size 4 will easily pass an FG leader to braid knot
> using up to 30 lb fluorocarbon leader.
> Here is a link for the Fuji speed threader done by
> Jim Ising a few years ago when it first came out.
> Great tool and a must for those using micro
> guides.
> [m.youtube.com]
> Norm

Norm I actually was about to start a thread asking about forhan wrap and micro runner (4) I was practicing on an old rod last night and was having trouble getting it right either I started locks too soon and had trouble packing it closed or too far and was kinda close to the ring and finishing it was tough I reduced from 3 locks to 2 and still was real close to the ring using d thread though.

Brett, i have used D thread on #4 micros with one locking loop..it works well and looks good..

Wow, "D" thread is overkill for micros! Size "A" is sufficient, "B" is OK. A locking wrap is just insurance for the possibilities of a guide being pulled out through handling.

Brett,
When I do a locking wrap on any guide, I start the lock - three wraps before the normal thread will be complete.
But, with a micro wrap, I put in my pull thread shortly after starting my first wrap on the micro.

Then, three thread before completion, I throw my first lock behind the guide foot, go on around the then follow on with the remaining locking wraps and final pull through of the locking thread. I always use three locking wraps in front of the guide foot.

Best wishes.

Phil, you are absolutely correct but don,t you ever do some things for "science" and giggles?lol..

Would have used a or b but don’t have any. New to micro guides and locking wraps and relatively new to building in general.

I don,t think there is anything wrong with D thread but you might be sure to seal it with CP because when you apply epoxy it will take alot more epoxy to saturate the thread than if you used A thread..i would seal the thread in any case but many builders do not use CP and don,t mind heavier wraps..also with a sealed wrap you will need only one coat of epoxy maybe applied a little thicker to cover the larger thread..

Norman, I actually bought 2 of the speed threaders a couple weeks ago, I will try to find a good video on the forhan wrap.Thank all of you once again.

If you use heavy thread and lots of epoxy you can compensate for the loss of weight caused by using little-bitty guides and restore balance to your completed rod.

The amount extra of epoxy needed to penetrate D thread is infinitesimal.

the amount of CP to saturate D thread is even more infinitesmal..lol.

When I do a locking wrap, I wrap right up to the guide foot. I then do one or two wraps behind the guide foot (blocking wrap), then two or three wraps around the ankle of the foot (locking wrap), and finish with one or two more blocking wraps behind the foot guide. Very easy to do and goes very quickly. Size D thread is the easiest thread to wrap, size A thread takes a little more attention, with size B thread being a nice compromise. The difference in weight between these threads is minuscule with the differences probably in the milligram range, and they are hard to tell apart after finishing. So use what works for you.

Norm