There's a way to end line twist entirely, if you're not fishing for food. Take up fly fishing. Only a poorly-made fly will cause twists - but only in your six to ten foot leader, not your line.

Of you can go jug fishing.
Take an empty plastic laundry detergent container. Insure that the cap is tight. Hang 10 feet of line to the container handle. Put on a hook and a foot below it, tie on a hook. Bait the hook with a nice big minnow and throw everything in the body of water you are fishing.

When the jug starts moving around against the wind, either swim out or get into your canoe or kayak and paddle out to the jug and pick it and everything attached and bring it all back to shore.

Unhook the fish, take it home, clean it, cook it, and share the fish with the rest of your family. Total cost 50 cents.

Best wishes

True. Spin fishing and jug fishing will both feed you better than fly fishing.

I also never understood the "theory" that using the reel handle to rotate the bailer until it closes causes line twist. That only closing the bailer by hand won't induce line twist.

Maybe these people, pro's included, don't realize that the bailer never touches the line until it closes on it. You could literally rotate and open bailer indefinitely without touching the line at all. So, what difference does it make where or how the bailer is closed?

;Right, David. Manually closing it saves the mechanism from fatigue. That's it.

Micheal and David, are you guys telling me you never get that annoying loop of braided line that shows up on the reel spool when you crank over your bail? If you don’t notice that loop you wind in your line over it and it can cause a problem on the next cast. I’m not talking about line twisting I’m talking about a loop formation. I can avoid this loop by manually flipping the bail over by hand, it is a conscious effect on my part to keep the loop from forming. If you have never had this problem I want to know the make and model of the reels you are using.
Norm



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I put line on spinning reels using a variable speed drill. I put the reel spool on the drill and wind it directly from the bulk spool to the reel spool.

David, I must be misunderstanding what you're saying. The first part of what you said is obvious. Of course the line doesn't touch the bail wire until it closes on it. If it did it wouldn't cast very well.

If you're saying the line doesn't touch the bail wire until the reel's line roller picks it up, then you are mistaken. The bail wire, by contacting the line, guides the line to the reel's line roller. Without the bail wire, the reel's line roller would never pick up the line. Also, if the line roller has rotated past the point the line leaves the spool. it must continue rotating until the reel's line roller picks up the line. It doesn't matter whether or not the bail is closed by hand or by turning the reel handle, the process is the same. Which I believe, is the essence of what you're saying.

My confusion comes from you saying ..."You could literally rotate and open bailer indefinitely without touching the line at all." I don't understand what you're trying to say? If you are trying to retrieve line, and the line isn't already on the reel's line roller, or you used your finger to put the line at the line roller manually, then the bail wire is going to contact the line.

As far as closing the bail with your off hand, versus using handle movement to close the bail and line twist goes ...... I can't say either way, what I will say is .........I was one of the people that went for the closing the bail by hand because I read that it was supposed to help reduce line twist. And I used to believe it, because once I started closing the bail by hand, I had a lot less problems with wind knots and the like. Eventually I learned that closing the bail using my off hand wasn't reducing line twist, but it was putting my hand in position to control the line at the spool. Once I close the bail I pull the line ahead of the reel so it comes in contact with the reel's line roller. I take out all the slack between the line roller and the spool, then I start my retrieve. One could do the same thing if you used the reel's handle to engage the bail, but the bail snapping closed can catch slack in the line and loop it over the spool lip.

Anyhow, another excellent advantage of closing the bail with your free hand is that it makes it easy to feather your line. Some people will feather the line with the finger tip of their hand that's holding the rod, I use my free hand, cupping it and letting the line pass through it. It works great and has my hand right there to close the bail.


Finally, does closing the bail by hand make a difference in line twist versus closing it using the reel's handle. I am thinking no. But it sure makes managing your line during and immediately after a cast, a whole lot easier. Which is exactly why I do it.

Here I thought the reel manufacturers had this all figured out with their new improved no twist line rollers they have been tauting all these years.

Spencer,
In case you missed the message of this post:
The reel is NOT causing the line twist.

Rather, the line is typically put on the reel in such a way that the loading process puts twists in the line that is made worse by some of the user techniques when the rod is used.

So, to resolve the issue, get the reel loaded with line in such a way so that the line does not instantly twist as soon as the first cast is made.

Although skeptical at first when I looked at this line spooler, a close examination makes me realize that this machine virtually solves all of the line twist and line orientation issues that occur using other methods to put line on a spinning reel.

The design system essentially creates a system that as the spinning reel spool is rotated as the line is loaded, the filler reel follows the spool right around the 360 degrees to insure that the line goes on the spool 100% correctly to give a longer period of time before the inevitable line twists will pop up on the spinning reel.

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This system seems to work well and has excellent reviews of long term use of the rod and reel after having the reel spool filled using the machine.

Take care

Norm, I was talking twist, not looping. Yes , I've had that loop, didn't know what was causing it. I usually but not always manually close the bail, so correlation of looping with one or the other is something I've nver considered.

Norman Miller Wrote:
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> Micheal and David, are you guys telling me you
> never get that annoying loop of braided line that
> shows up on the reel spool when you crank over
> your bail? If you don’t notice that loop you
> wind in your line over it and it can cause a
> problem on the next cast. I’m not talking about
> line twisting I’m talking about a loop
> formation. I can avoid this loop by manually
> flipping the bail over by hand, it is a conscious
> effect on my part to keep the loop from forming.
> If you have never had this problem I want to know
> the make and model of the reels you are using.
> Norm

Lift up on your rod tip as your closing the bailer. I use all Daiwa Revros, Fuego and BG spinning reels. Even then the loops happen, especially if you're casting in to the wind.

i remember when spin reels had no bail just a fixed spike that caught the line when the rotar was turned..i had a fishing buddy who would cut off the bails of new reels, saying they were not needed..honest..lol..they fished just fine for him..

Spenser: Each and every rotation of a spinning-reel bail puts a twist in your line which is untwisted when you retrieve line - as long as tour drag doesn't slip. I'll take all bets, give GREAT odds. Line twist can only occur two ways on a spinning outfit: the far end of your line is twisting, from a spinner or a fouled lure - OR - your bail continues to turn while no line is retrieved (the drag slips). This is a matter of physics, not faith.

Copy that Phil.
100% correct.

Cast out, the line twists. If the bail does not slip and if the lure does not spin - when the line is reeled back on the spool, the line becomes untwisted.