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Madeira thread
Posted by: David Sytsma (---.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com)
Date: September 07, 2019 02:28AM

Quick question for you all. I was reading the thread on the issues Tom Harder was having with U-40 Dura Gloss Supreme and I think there was mention of silicone in Madeira thread. I've got a few spools of the polyneon that I've used a little of without problems. Should I take special steps when using the Madeira? Does this thread contain silicone? Thanks.

Dave Sytsma

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Re: Madeira thread
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: September 07, 2019 08:20AM

Most sewing threads are treated with a lubricant to facilitate their use in a sewing machine. Color preserver is generally used on such threads.

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Re: Madeira thread
Posted by: David Sytsma (---.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com)
Date: September 07, 2019 02:12PM

Thanks, Tom. When I've used the thread, so far I've always used a color preserver. Probably why I haven't had any issues

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Re: Madeira thread
Posted by: Mark Talmo (71.147.59.---)
Date: September 07, 2019 02:47PM

Good question, David and good reply, Tom. That makes me wonder if NCP rod wrapping thread has a lubricant applied or if it is exempt due to obvious reasons? I basically use NCP to avoid the need for CP and have not noticed any issues.

Mark Talmo
FISHING IS NOT AN ESCAPE FROM LIFE BUT RATHER A DEEPER IMMERSION INTO IT!!!

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Re: Madeira thread
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: September 07, 2019 04:52PM

Madeira polyneon thread does not come in a NCP form. It is an embroidery thread that contains a silicone lubricant for use in sewing machines. Therefore, It should be coated with CP, otherwise it may cause problems with the epoxy finish. Because it comes in multitude of various colors and shades it is very popular for decorative wraps. Threads made specifically for rod wrapping do not have the variety of different colors and shades as Madeira.
Norm

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Re: Madeira thread
Posted by: Mark Talmo (71.147.59.---)
Date: September 08, 2019 12:23AM

Norman,
As usual, you are a wealth of information. Thanks.

Mark Talmo
FISHING IS NOT AN ESCAPE FROM LIFE BUT RATHER A DEEPER IMMERSION INTO IT!!!

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Re: Madeira thread
Posted by: Jonathan Hotham (165.225.0.---)
Date: September 09, 2019 09:44AM

Gentlemen,

I'd like to add a followup question. I've read extensively about Madeira polyneon and even have a spool. As many of you have noted it contains a silicone lubricant and must be sealed with color preserver. Here is the question. If Madeira contains silicone and silicone is the bane of rod craft does it cross contaminate other threads, and or your thread carriage? I have heard so many accounts of an indiscriminate amount of silicone ruining an epoxy job. I know when I do thread work I end up with bits of thread everywhere, plus its running through the thread carriage.

Just the thoughts running through my head as I read this thread.

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Re: Madeira thread
Posted by: Mark Blabaum (---.broadband.sta.mhtc.net)
Date: September 09, 2019 11:50AM

Jonathan Hotham Wrote:
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> Gentlemen,
>
> I'd like to add a followup question. I've read
> extensively about Madeira polyneon and even have a
> spool. As many of you have noted it contains a
> silicone lubricant and must be sealed with color
> preserver. Here is the question. If Madeira
> contains silicone and silicone is the bane of rod
> craft does it cross contaminate other threads, and
> or your thread carriage? I have heard so many
> accounts of an indiscriminate amount of silicone
> ruining an epoxy job. I know when I do thread work
> I end up with bits of thread everywhere, plus its
> running through the thread carriage.
>
> Just the thoughts running through my head as I
> read this thread.


In a word, No. I have run Maderia and NCP and Nylon tread through at different times and never had an issue. May be that I'm just lucky, but never had a problem with fisheye's because of that. I have used Maderia with out sealer and it is a mix of no problems with fisheyes to nothing but fisheyes without sealer. I have also tried to acclimate the epoxy by adding a long piece of thread to the epoxy when mixing, this also is a crap shoot and a 50/50 outcome with fisheyes.

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