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Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Shaun Belcher (---.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz)
Date: July 27, 2019 06:59PM

Im wanting to order a bunch of pacbay model S guides, and i see they are listed in sizes 6 to 50, but I can also choose sizes 6B to 50B and 6R to 50R.

I would really like to know what the difference is between these prefixes, but im having trouble finding such guides in the sizes im after, I really could do with a size 14 for example.
If these other sizes are a bit larger, that would be advantageous.

TIA for any info

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: July 27, 2019 08:04PM

Some of the PacBay S guides come with a plastic shock ring to hold the the titanium oxide ceramic ring in place. B stands for a black shock ring and R stands for a green shock ring. The S guides with a hialoy ceramic insert do not use a shock ring.
Norm
Ps - They do not come in a size 14.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2019 08:08PM by Norman Miller.

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Shaun Belcher (---.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz)
Date: July 27, 2019 08:58PM

Norman Miller Wrote:
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> Some of the PacBay S guides come with a plastic
> shock ring to hold the the titanium oxide ceramic
> ring in place. B stands for a black shock ring and
> R stands for a green shock ring. The S guides with
> a hialoy ceramic insert do not use a shock ring.
> Norm
> Ps - They do not come in a size 14.


OK, what about the ones with no letters following?
I also have the option of TiO and TiOx rings. What is the difference between that?
I would assume both would have meant titanium oxide?
I know there is no size 14, but might have to go with a larger guide in place of the older one instead.

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: July 27, 2019 09:46PM

The ones with no B or R suffix are the hialoy guides and don’t have a shock ring. I don’t know the difference between TiO and TiOx designations, I assume they both denote titanium oxide rings. The S guides are an old fashion style stamped frame guide. The titanium oxide rings are more brittle than the hialoy (hard aluminum oxide) and use a shock ring to hold them in place. The size of the ring is given as the OD, if you are measuring the ID of the ring and get 14 mm then the size 16 is what you want. If you are measuring the OD and get 14 mm they don’t come in that size.
Hope that helps.
Norm

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Grant Darby (172.92.68.---)
Date: July 27, 2019 09:48PM

Ask Carol at Utmost...right next door to PacBay, knows more about their stuff than they do!!

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Shaun Belcher (---.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz)
Date: July 27, 2019 10:30PM

Norman Miller Wrote:
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> The ones with no B or R suffix are the hialoy
> guides and don’t have a shock ring. I don’t
> know the difference between TiO and TiOx
> designations, I assume they both denote titanium
> oxide rings. The S guides are an old fashion style
> stamped frame guide. The titanium oxide rings are
> more brittle than the hialoy (hard aluminum oxide)
> and use a shock ring to hold them in place. The
> size of the ring is given as the OD, if you are
> measuring the ID of the ring and get 14 mm then
> the size 16 is what you want. If you are measuring
> the OD and get 14 mm they don’t come in that
> size.
> Hope that helps.
> Norm


OK, thats helpful, what was confusing me was i can select ring types, in addition to the list with the B and R designations.
See what i mean here [www.rodandreelpartsonline.com]
Its an older rod im restoring, hence why im trying to find something close as possible to match the original.

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: roger wilson (---.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
Date: July 27, 2019 11:01PM

Shaun,
Here is a link to download the 2018 pac bay catalog:

[www.fishpacbay.com]

After it is downloaded, look on pages 8 and 9 and every prefix and guide description is defined.

Best wishes.

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: July 27, 2019 11:21PM

Page 32 of the catalog describes the S guides.
Norm

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Pat Retlich (---.clevwi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net)
Date: July 28, 2019 09:13AM

Looks like the the TiO is a chrome finish and the TiOx is a black finish.

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Phil Ewanicki (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: July 28, 2019 09:31AM

Clear water is a lubricant, but muddy water is an abrasive. Chrome-plated guides are prone to grooving when used in muddy waters, but Rhodium-infused Niobium guide rings seem like overkill and over$ when used in clear waters.



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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Shaun Belcher (---.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz)
Date: July 28, 2019 08:51PM

Pat Retlich Wrote:
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> Looks like the the TiO is a chrome finish and the
> TiOx is a black finish.


Possibly, but its weird that I can select the frame colour on a seperate menu, while at the same time select TiO, TiOx, etc. Its definitely listed as the ring material.

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Shaun Belcher (---.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz)
Date: July 31, 2019 09:33PM

Shaun Belcher Wrote:
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> Norman Miller Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The ones with no B or R suffix are the hialoy
> > guides and don’t have a shock ring. I
> don’t
> > know the difference between TiO and TiOx
> > designations, I assume they both denote
> titanium
> > oxide rings. The S guides are an old fashion
> style
> > stamped frame guide. The titanium oxide rings
> are
> > more brittle than the hialoy (hard aluminum
> oxide)
> > and use a shock ring to hold them in place.
> The
> > size of the ring is given as the OD, if you are
> > measuring the ID of the ring and get 14 mm then
> > the size 16 is what you want. If you are
> measuring
> > the OD and get 14 mm they don’t come in that
> > size.
> > Hope that helps.
> > Norm
>
>
> OK, thats helpful, what was confusing me was i can
> select ring types, in addition to the list with
> the B and R designations.
> See what i mean here
> [www.rodandreelpartsonline.com]
> bay-model-s-classic-stamped-frame-guides?variant=5
> 988638211
> Its an older rod im restoring, hence why im trying
> to find something close as possible to match the
> original.

Just had a look and measured the guides on the rod.
I should add its a kingfish rod with a roller tip.
the top guide measures 7.2mm, the middle guide 9.3mm and the bottom guide is 12mm (all ID)

I also had bought a bunch of these guides from mudhole below, but the sizes are somewhat smaller. I have a size 12, 16 and 20
[www.mudhole.com]
The ID of the following guides I bought measure as follows:

Size 20 = 11.4MM
Size 16 = 8.3MM
Size 12 = 6.1MM

As you can see, each type of guide seems to vary with ring thickness, so this numbering system doesnt appear uniform across guides.
I would have thought sizing guides by the ID of the ring would have been a more accurate way to measure them?

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: July 31, 2019 10:09PM

It is amazing how much space the shock and ceramic rings take up in these old style guides. Modern guides are a heck of a lot better, no shock rings, much thinner and stronger ceramics that are deep pressed into the frames. In addition the modern guides are also much lighter.
Norm

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Re: Rod guide size prefixes - what to they mean?
Posted by: Shaun Belcher (---.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz)
Date: August 01, 2019 12:33AM

Norman Miller Wrote:
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> It is amazing how much space the shock and ceramic
> rings take up in these old style guides. Modern
> guides are a heck of a lot better, no shock rings,
> much thinner and stronger ceramics that are deep
> pressed into the frames. In addition the modern
> guides are also much lighter.
> Norm

I didnt realise many guides today had no shock rings, even the modern fuji guides ive bought in the past all had shock rings.
Either way, as long as I can find something that is close as possible to the original. Would be nice if I could find some matching guides with red shock rings and a white centre.

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