I
nternet gathering place for custom rod builders
  • Custom Rod Builders - This message board is provided for your use by the sponsors listed on the left side of the page. Feel free to post any question, answers or topics related in any way to custom building. When purchasing products please remember those who sponsor this board.

  • Manufacturers and Vendors - Only board sponsors are permitted and encouraged to promote and advertise products on the board. You may become a sponsor for a nominal fee. It is the sponsor fees that pay for this message board.

  • Rules - Rod building is a decent and rewarding craft. Those who participate in it are assumed to be civilized individuals who are kind and considerate in their dealings with others. Please respond to others in the same fashion in which you would like to be responded to. Registration IS NOW required in order to post. You must include your actual First and Last name and a correct email address when registering or posting. Posts which are inflammatory, insulting, or that fail to include a proper name and email address will be removed and the persons responsible will be barred from further participation.

    Registration is now required in order to post. You must include your actual First and Last name and a correct email address when registering or posting.
SPONSORS

ICRBE 2020
EXPO ON FACEBOOK
CCS Database
Int. Custom Rod Symbol
Common Cents Info
American Tackle
Angler’s Roost
Anglers Rsrc - Fuji
Anglers Workshop
BatsonRainshadowALPS
BRC Rods
Bingham Enterprises
CRB
Cork4Us
HNL Rod Blanks–CTS
CTS New Zealand
Custom Fly Grips LLC
Decal Connection
Flex Coat Co.
Get Bit Outdoors
Hitena USA
HYDRA
Janns Netcraft
Mickels Custom Rods
Mudhole Custom Tackle
MHX Rod Blanks
North Fork Composites
Pacific Bay
ProProducts
Reelseatblanks.com
Renzetti Inc.
Rougarou Rods
Rodgeeks
RodMaker Magazine
RodMaker Magazine Blog
Schneiders Rod Shop
SeaGuide Corp.
Tackleworks
The Rod Room
Trondak U-40
Utmost Enterprises
VisualWRAP/VisualWEAVE
ZipCast

silk vs. nylon
Posted by: Bob Scacheri (---.dol.net)
Date: June 27, 2001 08:22PM

Which is better, silk or nylon thread? On the one hand, I read in all the catalogs the praise for silk - more brilliant color and smaller diameter which leads to nicer wraps. On the other hand, as best I can tell, it seems to be only used on cane rods. Why don't builders using synthetic blanks use silk? I assume there is a good reason. They seem to cost about the same. I build mainly freshwater casting and spinning gear so I don't think strength should be an issue.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: silk vs. nylon
Posted by: Pete (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: June 27, 2001 08:31PM

I can only take a stab at this. For starters silk is only available in smaller diameter sizes so its not going to work for anyone building larger rods like saltwater types. I would also think that nylon is stronger diameter for diameter.

Why do they use it on bamboo? I don't know. Maybe because that's what they've always used or maybe because the translucency is superior to nylon. I can't see any reason why you couldn't use it for your rods but I am sure that one of the knowledgable builders here will let you know if there is anything wrong with doing so.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: silk vs. nylon
Posted by: Bob Petti (---.stny.rr.com)
Date: June 27, 2001 08:50PM

I used silk on a gloss coat graphite blank once and really strugged. I'm sure my inexperience with the material contributed greatly to my problems, but I remember the silk being very slippery, meaning I had trouble getting the thread started, and getting good durable tie-offs. I remember many wraps coming loose as I worked on other guides. It seemed that if I looked at it funny, the wrap would just fall apart. I'm sure that's technique related, but I never had that problem with nylon thread prior to that experience, or since.

Once hit with epoxy (no-cp) and it just melted into the blank. A perfect color match for what I was doing, but it really wasn't worth the bother.

Since that time, I haven't felt the desire to use silk on graphite blanks.

Bob Petti
[www.globalflyfisher.com]

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: silk vs. nylon
Posted by: Andy (---.umacs.net)
Date: June 27, 2001 09:41PM

I only use silk on fly rods. Use a good color preserver (Al's form Angler's Workshop) and there is nothing like it. Yes the dia. is small but once you get used to it its easy to work and makes a lovey wrap.

Andy

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: silk vs. nylon
Posted by: Rich Garbowski (---.voyageur.ca)
Date: June 28, 2001 08:18AM

Bob,
Silk thread in size A has some very nice tone selections and we use it on light freshwater rods. It is strong and easy to work with in the brand of 'kanagawa' available from Angler's Workshop.

The metallic silks are beautiful to work with, we find stronger and easier to manage in wrapping. It is expensive, but for a high end rod is something nice to consider.

The use of the special color preserver, as instructed on the bottle (Al's) will develop the finished wrap into rich tones that are not available in regular nylon threads.

Something different perhaps for the graphites, but not without mention.Silk is supposed to be one of the stronges fibers around, and has been used for years in fly rod building. Why not for some of the nicer graphite spinning or casting blanks? We tried it and like it, continue to use it more often. Try a decorative butt wrap with it and see the difference. I'll be glad to email you a pic. of the wrap we did lately that shows some of the nice silk metallics showing through.

Rich
www.rodreel.com

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: silk vs. nylon
Posted by: Jim U (---.12.67.207.in-addr.arpa)
Date: June 28, 2001 12:32PM

IMHO silk looks good under varnish (especially on bamboo) because it is nice and thin and looks almost painted on. It's harder to use 'cause it has very little stretch and it frays if you try to burnish it much. I doublt if it is nearly as durable as nylon.

If you are going to encapsulate the winding under epoxy, use nylon.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: silk vs. nylon
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (---.dialinx.net)
Date: June 28, 2001 12:39PM

This won't help you immediately, but in the next issue of RodMaker there will be an article from Russ Gooding, of Golden Witch, on how to work with and finish silk thread.

...............................

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: silk vs. nylon
Posted by: Russ Gooding (---.dejazzd.com)
Date: June 28, 2001 03:51PM

Hi Bob,

If you search through our web site at www.goldenwitch.com , you'll see numerous pictures of graphite as well as cane rods - all are wrapped with silk. On graphite rods, I use color preserver primarily because the dark colored blanks can muddy the colors of silk if the silks are allowed to go translucent. On cane, I prefer translucent wraps and fine silks excell.

I've had great success, both functionally and aesthetically, with using silks on light synthetic rods of all sorts: fly, spin, & casting. My clients are happy - nothing more a craftsman can ask for. Much of the fun of rodmaking is in experimentation. Give the silks a try.

Best regards,

Russ

Options: ReplyQuote


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
Webmaster