nternet gathering place for custom rod builders
  • Custom Rod Builders - This message board is provided for your use by the sponsors listed on the left side of the page. Feel free to post any question, answers or topics related in any way to custom building. When purchasing products please remember those who sponsor this board.

  • Manufacturers and Vendors - Only board sponsors are permitted and encouraged to promote and advertise products on the board. You may become a sponsor for a nominal fee. It is the sponsor fees that pay for this message board.

  • Rules - Rod building is a decent and rewarding craft. Those who participate in it are assumed to be civilized individuals who are kind and considerate in their dealings with others. Please respond to others in the same fashion in which you would like to be responded to. Registration IS NOW required in order to post. You must include your actual First and Last name and a correct email address when registering or posting. Posts which are inflammatory, insulting, or that fail to include a proper name and email address will be removed and the persons responsible will be barred from further participation.

    Registration is now required in order to post. You must include your actual First and Last name and a correct email address when registering or posting.

2019 EXPO
CCS Database
Int. Custom Rod Symbol
Common Cents Info
American Tackle
Angler’s Roost
Anglers Rsrc - Fuji
Anglers Workshop
BRC Rods
Bingham Enterprises
HNL Rod Blanks–CTS
CTS New Zealand
Custom Fly Grips LLC
Decal Connection
Flex Coat Co.
Get Bit Outdoors
Hitena USA
Janns Netcraft
Mickels Custom Rods
Mudhole Custom Tackle
MHX Rod Blanks
North Fork Composites
Pacific Bay
Renzetti Inc.
Rougarou Rods
RodMaker Magazine
RodMaker Magazine Blog
Schneiders Rod Shop
SeaGuide Corp.
The Rod Room
Trondak U-40
Utmost Enterprises

alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Doug Schow (---.ei.ubesd.k12.or.us)
Date: February 19, 2003 08:38PM

I realize SIC guides are the best out there, but how much better are they compared to these alconite guides. Is there that much of a difference.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Jeff Schatz (---.columbus.rr.com)
Date: February 19, 2003 08:56PM

I'll answer this as an experienced fisherman, (and a novice rodbuilder). In my opinion, guides mean very little (comparing like types- single foot to single foot, etc.) at least as it relates to line or guide wear, casting and in most cases weight. It seems the manufacturers have exceeded our ability to see any real differences.

Certainly the advent of ceramic guide rings and lighter weight stamped guides were a breakthrough but for my money, a Hardaloy-type guide is all you need. The spacing and ring size are far more important.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Mike Ballard (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: February 19, 2003 09:34PM

SIC are great guides. Hardloys are okay, but the rings are noticeably less slick and smooth than the SIC's. The Alconites really close the gap! Rings feel, by hand anyway, nearly as slick and smooth as SIC's. If I was Fuji, I'd dump all the Hardloy models and replace them with Alconite rings in the same frames.

Only problem I see is that where Hardloy didn't really compete with the SIC models, the Alconites sure do.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Tom Osthoff (---.midwest.net)
Date: February 19, 2003 09:46PM

I'm certainly no authority SIC vs HARDALOY or ALCONITE but it might be a problem with HARDALOY or ALCONITE if one used some the the newer so called superlines. I always use SIC tips and have never had a problem. Does anybody have any thoughts on superlines and guide wear?

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: William Vivona (---.ny325.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 19, 2003 10:06PM

I think the misconception between superlines and HArdaloy stems from when teh original Spiderline picked up dirt, sand, grime and hacksawed therough the Hardaloy guides. The newer lines do not groove Hardaloy.

As for SIC vs. Alco vs. Hardaloy - If you have a hard running fish taking a lot of drag, SIC is probably worthteh money. I cannot comment on Alconite in this situation. HArdaloy do not dissapate heat well enough to risk using in this situation. For "normal" fishing conditions, where line isn't peeling off the drag (bottom fishing) Hardaloy is fne. SIC top, if it makes you feel better, it's only a few bucks more.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Dick Thurston (---.midtn.chartertn.net)
Date: February 19, 2003 11:15PM

I have replaced several Hardloy guides & tops that were grooved. I have never replaced an SIC guide because of grooving. Perhaps this is due to the sheer volume of Hardloy out there vs. other type ceramic guides. I never see Alconite on any rods except those built by custom builders - I've never had any problem with Alconite & use them on most rods I build. The chrome Alconites have a great lustrous plating on them (unlike the dull chrome on Hardloy) & I really like the deep black finish on the black framed Alconites with the black ring. In comparing performance of Hardloy vs. SIC I have built identical fly rods except for guide type & the SIC guides seem to shoot line a little better. It's more of a "feel" than anything measurable but the line seems to slide through the guides better. (Perhaps this is only a figment of my imagination since the SIC's cost about $70.00 & the Hardloys were about $10.00)

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Emory Harry (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: February 19, 2003 11:47PM

How about Zirconium?? I am told that it is 95% as hard as SiC, just as smooth, and it is 25% as expensive. I think that it's thermal conductivity must be about the same as well. Frankly, I have never had any problems with Hardloy, or Pacific Bay's or Batson Industries equivalents, except for the occasional ceramic that comes out of the ring about equally often on any of them. However, the best value now seems to me to be Batson's Zirconium guides. They are much less expensive than SiC and to my taste more attractive. The new blue ones I think are very attractive.
I have to admit that I have not been using the Zirconium guides very long and so I do not know how they will stand up over time but I suspect that they will stand up just fine.
The price that Fuji charges the custom rod builder versis what they charge the large rod builders also rubs me the wrong way. The difference is very, very large.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Tony Dowson (---.ok.shawcable.net)
Date: February 20, 2003 03:55AM

The Forecast TiCH ceramics are VERY nice guides.I think they are definately worth a look or two.Price-wise they come inbetween the Fugi Alconites and the SIC so it's another nice alternative to the custom rod builder.The finishing of the guide is quite attractive and they seem very good quality.The guides are also easy to file and prep.They seem quite slick and are whisper quite during casting(of a flyrod),which I like.I will definately be using more of them in the near future.Can't wait to try out the blue ones.I am also looking forward to trying some of the holographic TiCH ceramics offered by American Tackle.Very cool custom look for a rod.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Matt Davis (---.prtel.com)
Date: February 20, 2003 07:18AM

Another factor in guide wear vs. superlines in the past was that most of the original superlines were made with Kevlar. Very durable material but also abrasive. The new superlines are made with polyethelyne. Milk jug plastic that is naturally "waxy". Wear is non-existant. Except for foreign particles.

The Alconite guides are a great guide. The price is also really attractive. I don't think anyone will really know for quite some time yet if the durability is truely there. They haven't been out on rods, numbers of rods, for long enough.

I, personally, put on more SiC that Alconite. Mostly because if I'm buying a $150 blank I'd like to have as nice of guides on it. You don't wear KMart shoes with an Armani suit do you? Yes, that's a bit of an overstatement but you get my point.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Dick Thurston (---.midtn.chartertn.net)
Date: February 20, 2003 07:28AM

The TiCH guides do look good but I've experienced some rusting around the guide ring in saltwater. No problems with rods used exclusively in fresh water. Also surface rust on the TiCH wire single-foot fly guides in salt water. I avoid on fly rods that might be used in salt.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Buzz Butters (---.dotnet.com)
Date: February 20, 2003 09:54AM

What were the conditions on the Hardloys that were grooved. Was this fresh or saltwater, BIG fish or small? I have been telling customers that Hardloy's have been holding up with the superlines.
This is in the venue of freshwater spin and baitcasting for fis like bass, walleye, and musky. I suggest the use of SIC for trolling freshwater with superlines. Any details that you can give me about the Hardloys failing would be a big help.
Buzz Butters

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Doug Schow (---.ei.ubesd.k12.or.us)
Date: February 20, 2003 10:35AM

thanks for the replies that is what I was looking for

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: ralph jones (---.bhm.bellsouth.net)
Date: February 20, 2003 03:41PM

I am new to alconite but will use alot more of it in the future. I only use sic guides if they will be used with braided super lines. So far none of my rods have come back to me, except one loose reelseat and several broken guides and tips. No grooves,etc. I have repaired factory rods with grooves aplenty. hardloy is good but alconite is lighter, smoother and is my favorite so far.I haven't used or even seen zirconium so I have no comment on it. Ralph Jones

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Emory Harry (---.client.attbi.com)
Date: February 20, 2003 04:49PM

You ought to give the Zirconium guides a try. I think they represent the best value on guides and they are very attractive. The blue ones are particularly attractive if you have a blue blank or are wrapping with blue or complimentory color. I have been using some of the new holographic tape, in blue and red, as trim with the blue Zirconium guides and it really is striking.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: alconite vs. SIC
Posted by: Joseph Bailleaux (---.dsl.bumttx.swbell.net)
Date: February 20, 2003 06:39PM

I will agree with Mike Ballard on Fugi dumping hardloy guides and replaceing them with alconites . I will also add ....... dump sic guides and replace with cermets . Move everything up a notch .
I think heavy frame cermet guides can replace rollor guides in most salt water applications .

Options: ReplyQuote

Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.