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Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Isaiah Bumagat (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 01:04AM

Im looking into getting another type of finish, Ive had too much trouble with Flexcoat Lite...any recommendations?

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Mike Barkley (---.nap.wideopenwest.com)
Date: December 09, 2009 01:47AM

Threadmaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Phil Erickson (---.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 02:08AM

I second Mike's recommendation................Threadmaster, both regular and Lite.

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: roger wilson (---.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 04:54AM

Isiah,
Out of curiosity, what sort of problems are you having.

Many many folks use this product regularly with no problems.

Take care
Roger

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Dave Lester (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 06:41AM

Flex Coat Lite! For real...

Threadmaster for hi build one coat.

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: matthew jacobs (---.122.31.71.static.ip.windstream.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 07:50AM

TM Lite Build.

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: James Hicks (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 07:54AM

Permagloss!! (not an epoxy but it's my favorite finish)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/09/2009 07:54AM by James Hicks.

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Barry Kneller (---.)
Date: December 09, 2009 07:55AM

Flex Coat regular.

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Mike Pedersen (---.ec.res.rr.com)
Date: December 09, 2009 08:16AM


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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Jim Gamble (97.106.17.---)
Date: December 09, 2009 08:23AM

I suggest you resolve your problems with Flexcoat Lite, changing brands isn't the answer. FC Lite has to be the most forgiving of all brands/types on the market, IMO. What types of issues are you having?

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Jeremy Wagner (---.sta.embarqhsd.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 09:03AM

I second Roger and Jim's questions, what problems are you having? I've found Flexcoat to be very forgiving, provided you follow the instructions.

jeremy

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Bill Ballou (---.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 09:07AM

Used LS lite for a while. But it took too many coats to level. High build I was concerned with pot life. So I mixed both lite -hi 50-50. Very good coverage with 2 coats. I know alot of builders mix different brands to get desired results. This is working for me.

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Billy Vivona (---.nycmny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 09:52AM

Figure out your problems, most are user error, not the fault of the epoxy. You have to figure out what characteristics you need out of you finish, then find the one that works best for you. OBviously ALL finishes work well, or nobody would use them...or we'd all use the same one.

I mix 2 different brands of finish (Aftcote & TM) on guide wraps, and us eTM on Dec WRaps.

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: December 09, 2009 10:14AM

Your problem might be solved simply by switching from a "lite" formula to a regular or high build formula. The "lite" finishes have to be applied more thinly than the higher build types. Depending on what you prefer and how you apply your epoxy, it could be that a "lite" version simply isn't the right tool for the job.

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: bill boettcher (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 03:01PM

Tell us what the problems you are having. It is probably you or the way you are putting it on.

Bill - willierods.com

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Paul Rotkis (---.gci.net)
Date: December 09, 2009 09:21PM

THREAMASTER ALL THE WAY, EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK AND TWICE ON SUNDAY. You are doing something wrong....

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Eddie Taylor (---.midsouth.biz.rr.com)
Date: December 10, 2009 05:07PM

I thought I was having "problems" with FlexCoat so I tried another brand - Thread Master. In order to get my new brand right I started looking at what I was doing and changing up a few things. I observed the following:

1. Thoroughly warm parts A & B. I was using a hair dryer but I now put under a heat lamp for a few mins. Nothing fancy, a clamp on work light with a spotlight bulb in it. I get the bottles good and warm - not hot.
2. Pour out mix on a flat surface and blow out bubbles. I mix for 3 mins in a Pac-Bay mixer and was applying from the cup, but pouring out on al. foil allows to (1) blow out any bubbles with a straw and (2) does extend the pot life.
3. Like Tom said, apply and let the finish do the work. It was, and still is, painful to not tweak, brush, dub, blow, etc. on the finish - just apply and go is hard. I can't do a single wrap in under a minute but I no longer spend 5-8 mins on a single guide tweaking the coverage. Roll it on and get good coverage then let it do the rest. Results might surprise you - did me!
4. Long smooth brush strokes with fresh finish and a wet brush for decal or long coverage areas.
5. I burnish the wraps, then use an alcohol burner on the wraps to get rid of fuzz. A good magnification lens helps here. If the rod has sat for a while I will go back over - lightly - with tape. Very little pressure is needed. Just a touch to pull lint & fuzzies off.
6. I also use a faster dryer. My old one was about 4-8 RPM. I now go about 18 RPM.
7. When I use CP, don't use that often, I use U40. Good even coat, not too heavy, let sit for 24 hours and then apply finish.
8. I never go longer than 24 hours between coats of finish. If I miss that window, will rough up the finish with some 400 sandpaper.

After doing this and using Thread Master for a while I went back and tried FlexCoat again - I still like their Hi-Build - and the results were excellent. Which proved to me it was not the finish, but the user - ME.

Good luck,
Eddie

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: roger wilson (---.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
Date: December 10, 2009 05:42PM

Eddie,
A couple of comments.
Unless the room is in a refrigerator, there is really no need to warm the mixture. Yes, heat will thin the mixture, but often; the heat will quicken the cure to such a point that it has already gotten too thick before it can be applied.

Mix it up for two minutes and put it on the guides.

As Tom has said many times, it generally should only take a few seconds to apply the finish. I like to use a pretty fast speed during finish application - about 50-200 rpm.

Move the rod to the slow dryer and let it go. After a few minutes go back and check to insure that you don't have any excess or lack of finish on any guide. If so, either add or delete finish on a particular guide.
Then, let it go.

If a person uses one of the thick finishes - normally you are done. Really no need to go back for multiple finishes if you do it right the first time.

Generally speaking - 5 minutes top to apply the finish on most rods.

Good luck
Roger

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: bill boettcher (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: December 10, 2009 10:21PM

Before using any finish, I tilt the bottles and look to see if there is leftover at the bottom of the bottles. This is the solids. Usually only in the resin. I then place the bottle in hot water for maybe 20 min. Then tilt the bottle back and forth very easy and slowly to make sure it is all mixed.

Don;t shack it, will introduce bubbles.

Bill - willierods.com

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Re: Whats your favorite expoy
Posted by: Jason Wenzel (---.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com)
Date: December 12, 2009 06:03PM

Ive used flexcoat lite. worked good seemed like it liked heat to get the bubbles out. Started turning yellow after two seasons of fishing, they all might do this ive only had enough time to tell on flexcoat. Ive also used tm lite. Goes on good, levels good, definetly doesn't like heat put it on and leave it be. I didn't like the cure time, it takes almost a day to cure. I also have used the Pac Bay that came with my power wrapper. I think i like this the best out of the 3. worked good all around, very forgiving on mixing ratio.

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